Unfaithful & faith-less partners

Unfaithful & Faithless

The division of unholy-marriage-of-(in)convenience-between-estranged-backstabbing-bedfellows un-registered political pact is getting crystal clear. PAS and DAP are on opposing ends on very fundamental issues for the domain that they are representing and/or struggling for.

DAP, PAS send mixed messages on ‘Allah’ issue

 
By Ida Lim
December 26, 2012

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 26 — In a fresh debate over the word “Allah”, PAS says that Christians should not use it to describe their god in the Bible, while its political ally DAP insists that Christians in East Malaysia should be allowed to use the Arabic word.

PAS information chief Tuan Ibrahim Tuan Man said today the use of the word “Allah” in the Alkitab, the Malay-language translation of the Bible, would not reflect the original text’s meaning.

“PAS’ stand is that the Bahasa Melayu Bible should replace the ‘God’ term with ‘Tuhan’ and not ‘Allah’ to mirror the actual meaning of the original text,” he said in a press statement.

Tuan Ibrahim said both Christians and Muslims could be confused when the word “Allah” is used in the Alkitab.

“Since the Bahasa Melayu Bible is a translation from the original English text, the term ‘God’ does not mean ‘Allah’, because the accurate translation is ‘Tuhan’. It should be translated according to original meaning. Translating ‘God’ to ‘Allah’ will confuse Christians and create unease among the Muslims and can confuse Muslims,” he said.

He said “Allah” was a sacred name for the Muslims and should be used appropriately.

“In relation to that, (the) request to use Allah’s name in the Bahasa Melayu translation of the Bible is not wajar (suitable), even the society in the West, they don’t use Allah’s name to refer to God whether in speech, writing of films. The word that is often used is ‘Lord’,” said Tuan Ibrahim, who is also Pahang PAS commissioner.

On Monday, DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng had raised the controversial “Allah” issue in his Christmas message.

“For this reason, DAP urges the BN Federal government to allow the use of the word ‘Allah’ on the Bahasa Malaysia version of the Bible as has been allowed in Sabah and Sarawak for the last 50 years and practised in the Middle East for more than a thousand years,” Lim wrote in a statement on December 24 in English and Mandarin.

Zairil Khir Johari, DAP’s assistant publicity secretary, said today that Lim’s words have been “twisted”, saying that the Penang chief minister had only asked Putrajaya not to deny the rights of Christians in East Malaysia to use the word “Allah”.

According to Zairil, several news reports had falsely accused Lim of urging the federal government to allow Christians in Peninsula Malaysia to use the word “Allah” in the Alkitab.

“He (Lim) only asked that it be allowed in the Bahasa Malaysia version of the Bible that is used by Christians in Sabah and Sarawak.”

“Furthermore, the Bahasa Malaysia version of the Bible can only be found in Sabah and Sarawak and not in Peninsula Malaysia.

“Therefore, the issue of usage of the word “Allah” in Peninsula Malaysia does not arise at all,” Zairil said.

Zairil pointed out that the word “Allah” was commonly used by Christians in neighbouring Indonesia and has been used for decades by the Bumiputera Christians in East Malaysia that converse in the Malay language.

Christians form 9.2 per cent of Malaysia’s 28.3 million-strong population, with many of them in east Malaysia using the Malay language and the word “Allah” to refer to their God.

In recent years, the Christian and Muslim religious communities have been engaged in a tug-of-war over the word “Allah”, with the latter group arguing that its use should be exclusive to them on the grounds that Islam is monotheistic and the word “Allah” denotes the Muslim god.

A legal tussle over the use of the word “Allah” remains unresolved, with the Catholic Church still barred from publishing the word in its weekly newspaper, despite winning a High Court decision on December 31, 2009.

This is due to the Home Ministry filing an appeal in 2010 against the High Court’s decision, which have since stagnated in the courts as no date has been set for its hearing.

Last year, shipments of the Alkitab, the Malay-language Bible catering to the Bahasa Malaysia-speaking Bumiputera Christians, were blocked or confiscated at ports, before the government finally bowed to pressure and released them.

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PAS is trying not to be too loud on their opposition for the ‘Kalimah Allah’ issue. Their grassroots and particularly the majority which are unanimous for the Majlis Syura’s stance on the subject matter, are hopping-mad not tolerating PAS’s position on the matter.

The spat between then PAS Selangor Commissioner Dr Hassan Md Ali against DAP’s Kongsi Godfather Ronnie Liu on the ‘sale of beer’ in Selangor two and half years ago is very clear. Again, the two Excos plus DAP Empress Dowager of Selangor Teresa Kok were on combative mode, on the JAIS anti-protelysation raid at Damansara Utama Methodist Church on 3 August 2011.

Then there is the Hudud issue. PAS Central Committee had to bring back the subject into PAS’s mainstream ‘struggle’ to portray their relevance on issues which are closest to the hearts of the Malay majority in the hinterland, PAS’s mainstay of power.

And the more recent, the ‘khalwat’ and ‘unisex saloon’ cases in Kelantan, which irked the hell out of the Non Malays, especially the Chinese.

This is not withstanding that DAP would not ever accept PAS leading the Premiership in the event of Pakatan Rakyat’s ability to have simple majority in the Dewan Rakyat. PAS grassroots expressed their desire to have their President Dato’ Hj Hadi Awang as Prime Minister in the recently concluded PAS’s Muktammar, held in Kelantan.

It is obvious even though PAS and DAP needed each other’s niche political support during the general elections, they cannot possibly worked together for the betterment of the rakyat and nation. They have opposing aspirations, ideology, wants, needs and most of all, on their methods of resolving issues.

These unresolved issues and controversies between the two parties are real and ‘clear and present danger’. Neither willing to compromise. Compromise translate to PAS would lose their ‘Islamic’ elements and characteristics and DAP shedding the anti-Malay/Islam and Chinese Chauvinist agenda and characteristics. In essence and practical sense, both of them have been trying their best to lie and put up a fake front of working together.

They say the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The Tenang DUN by-election in February 2011 is a proof that DAP did not even try to bring out the Chinese votes for PAS’s candidate. It is clear Johor DAP would not work for PAS.

They do nott and never willing to understand each other. They cannot tolerate each other. Far from able to accept and accommodate each other. Their deep and practical distrust of each other would never bring progress for Malaysia in any sense. And that is an undeniable fact.

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  1. Their only common denominator is their shared hatred for UMNO/BN. So when the political glue that binds them is negative and toxic, it won’t last – overdose of lethal poison.

  2. Lim Guan Eng urging the Federal government to allow the use of the word ‘Allah’ by way of a statement on Xmas eve is being irresponsible of the chauvinistic, racist and now religious bigot. Damn it, doesn’t he know that the matter is before the Appeal Court and he should not raise it and attract unnecessary attention that might prejudice the case?

    But now that the fellow has raised it, defend the Kalimah Allah we must. The arguments he used – “has been allowed in Sabah and Sarawak for the last 50 years and practised in the Middle East for more than a thousand years” – are not valid. Those two states agreed to the formation of Malaysia as proposed by the British which ruled them at that time, the Consultative Committees having done their work under the Cobbold Commission, and representatives from those states like Tan Sri Fuad Stephens and Temenggong Jugah were satisfied that being in Malaysia was advantageous for them. The Constitution for the new political entity called Malaysia was debated and passed by Parliament.

    That new Constitution states that Islam is the religion of the country and must therefore be respected. However, on the Kalimah Allah issue, the opposition to it has not been so much on that ground as on the fact that 60% of the population of the country are Muslims and they object to it because Allah refers to the Muslim God, the one and only. Whereas Tuhan adequately and aptly describes the Christian God which takes the form of the Trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. There is no valid reason for them not to use the word Tuhan.

    Guan Eng and his ilk must realize that the kalimah Allah has been used by the Christians in the Middle East for a long time because the Christians were and are Arabs and Allah is an Arabic word. It’s only natural for Arab Christians to use the word Allah for their God but it’s not so for the Malaysian Christians who can use the word Tuhan.

    • where in ANY OLD or NEW TESTEMENT of BIBLE that single out ALLAH words????
      Please show me..

      ALLAH is ALMIGHTY GOD to ALL HUMAN BEING that been worship by all muslim and clearly stated in ALQURAN..

      So please show me where the word ALLAH in all original BIBLE?? Not the translated one ..

    • and ALLAH is a ARABIC WORDS in AL QURAN.. THE ORIGINAL ALQURAN from the begining untill now

  3. Yes, DAP and PAS have been sending mixed messages to the voters on an increasing number of issues ranging from Hudud to gender separation in cinemas and hair dressing salons, to PM candidature.

    Most recently, it’s the case of the the DAP Perak Nga and Ngeh said to have received thousands of acres of land in Kelantan as a PAS bribe for agreeing to PAS Nizar becoming Menteri Besar Sekejap in 2008.

    Cousin Nga has reportedly become gangster-like, threatening a BN lady ADUN, in front of 2 witnesses, if she continues to expose more regarding a company that owns thousands of acres of plantations in Kelantan. Ngeh is said to have umpteen millions of Ringgit shares in the company and the unexplained huge wealth of the Perak DAP Chief must have shocked even the DAP Central Executive Committee.

    And the cheeky PAS Kelantan government tried to justify the giving of the thousands of acres of land by saying a Federal Government Minister even agreed to the idea. What the heck, so stupid was that excuse – the BN government was not ruling the state for the last 20 years!

  4. Good that PAS information chief Tuan Ibrahim said

    “PAS’ stand is that the Bahasa Melayu Bible should replace the ‘God’ term with ‘Tuhan’ and not ‘Allah’ to mirror the actual meaning of the original text.”

    And saying it in a press statement shows it’s a serious. deeply thought out matter. .

    it’s now clear that the Ulama group has gotten control over PAS again. The so-called Erdogan group, planted and promoted by Anwar Al Juburi, led by Khalid Samad, had suddenly managed to throw out Hudud in PAS Muktamar 2011 but Nik Aziz picked it up again and the Ulama group had it re-established as the party’s flag carrier at PAS Muktamar 2012.

    Sad for DAP which has mixed signals even among themselves. Karpal Singh made noise on Hudud but the CEC tried to tone it down to show so-called solidarity with PAS. But PAS government summons to Chinese hair salons and Chinese khalwat couples must have buggered the DAP.

  5. Biggie …

    Ini adalh sebahagian dari dakyah dan strategi Kristian utk merosak aqidah dan memecah-belah umat Islam …khas nya orang Melayu di Malaysia. Firman Allah swt di dlm Al Quran yg bermaksud “Dan apabila kamu berpergian di muka bumi, maka tidak mengapa kamu menqashar sembahyang, jika kamu takut diserang orang-orang kafir.Sesungguhnya orang-orang kafir itu adalah musuh yang nyata bagi mu” .. 4:101

    Mula2 mereka minta guna kalimah “Allah”, lepas tu minta permit percetakan, lepas tu minta permit pengedaran dan lepas tu ……

    Dalam hal ini, saya rasa Mahkamah pun tidak layak, malah tiada saper yg layak untk menentukan samada Kristian di Malysia boleh atau tidak untk menggunakan kalimah Allah, kerana kalimah tersebut sgt “suci” bagi agama Islam. Surah 109 : 1-6 Al-kafirun telahh menyebut

    “Katakanlah: Hai orang-orang yang kafir,

    aku tidak akan menyembah apa yang kamu sembah.

    Dan kamu bukan penyembah Tuhan yang aku sembah.

    Dan aku tidak pernah menjadi penyembah apa yang kamu sembah

    dan kamu tidak pernah menjadi penyembah Tuhan yang aku sembah

    untuk mu agamamu, dan untuk aku”

    • Subhanallah …

      My mistake on the last line of the translation ….

      ‘untuk mu agamamu, dan untuk aku agamaku”

  6. If they succedd, then they’ll begin launching all the trickeries to feed the gullible and weak Malays: “Allah ada anak”. OMG, only if you knew how the eath trembled and the heavens shook when this was said the first time by humanity back then.

    • Oh, dear – boating

      You too?

      Isn’t it a historical quirk that Judaism and Christianity (and Hinduism too) all predate Islam?

      I guess The Almighty has His Own reasons for all this. Maybe a sense of humour even.

      • But sure the reasons didn’t include allowing the Christians using the word Allah.

        The Christians had their won word before the word Allah came anyway.

        But I believe the Almighty said, “Just use the word God or its equivalent, Tuhan. When you insist on using the word Allah, they’ll see you have some hidden motive.”

    • Boateng,

      I posted this comment earlier.

      Surah Al Iklas-

      Say, “The truth is: Allah is One. [1] Allah is Besought of all, needing none. [2] He neither begot anyone, nor he was begotten. [3] And equal to Him has never been any one.”[4]

      Allah is ONE!

      Not in three. Allah has no son. Allah also is not represented in the form of holy ghost.

      That is what the faith and understanding of the majority of this country.

      Why some of these minorities purposely want to confuse the majority?

      The Malays can no longer be apologetic & soft on the matter. This is far too much!

  7. The ‘Word’ Allah is a Muslim and Malay things and with much circumstances in Malaysia.

    Why Lim Guan Eng being non Muslim and non Malay suddenly wants to be inebriated and bothered by the using the ‘Word’ Allah and make special acts about it?

    Why Lim Guan Eng wants to cause the using of the ‘Word’ ‘Allah that would be different in the Malay language Bible for Christian in this country? Christians in Malaysia can do without sleepless night for not using the ‘word’ Allah. By the grace of The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost, the Christians have been saved from their sin by Jesus Christ the Lord, and the Christians have been remaining as Christian, and indeed as they are. More than that, they can still be in production for new born Christians.

    In a simple word, the dominant of Malaysian Christian congregations make no fuss about it. This is because they know what it means being a Christian. They have embedded their faith and personally know who was Jesus Christ and who is He really is. So why Lim Guan Eng is so fuss about (What the fuss, nothing happening) using the ‘Word’ Allah and urging the Federal government to allow Christians to use it.

    As reported, “pious platitudes……hearing on these occasions.” Catholic Bishop Dr. Pual Tan Ing, uttering at the Prime Minister not only aiming at the good office of the Prime Minister but he, Najib Abdul Razak is ‘pious platitude.’

    In a way, the Catholic Bishop was telling Najib  that Najib bin Abdul Razak bears the soul in characterizing hypocritical by virtue of his religious devotion which is Islam.

    Does his Holiness Catholic Bishop Dr Paul Tan in his prayers is thinking this situation? “If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will then we may take that it is worth paying.”
    Author: C.S. Lewis

    What happen to the holy Bible when it says about LOVE? In series of verses: 1 Corinthians 13:4-8

    Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 

    Romans 13:8  Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

    Galatians 5:13  For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

    Ephesians 4:2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,

    1 Peter 1:22  Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,

    1 John 4:7  Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.

    Our unholy words of advice to yours Excellency Catholic Bishop Dr. Pual Tan Ing:

    “Alcohol may be man’s worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.”Frank Sinatra 

    Ecclesiastes 5:2 
    Do not be quick with your mouth, do not be hasty in your heart to utter anything before God. God is in heaven and you are on earth, so let your words be few.

    We are in heavy, smelling religiously of political Chauvinism.

    Thinking about it ,it be better off to refrain the exhortation for using the ‘Word’ Allah in the environment of Muslim majority with the realization of tolerance and acceptance. So let see what the Bible has to say if the ‘Word’ Allah is used.

    King James 2000 Bible
    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

    “In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.” English Standard Version (©2001)

    What it says, the ‘Word’ is Jesus Christ and Jesus is God and Jesus already existed before the formation of the universe. Here, the Christians have it to themselves, Christ is not only the Son of God but He is God. He is also God in sprite of the Holy Ghost and God the Farther Himself. The Christian has it all ! Three in One, The Godheads which is the Christian doctrine. Why Lim Guan Eng bothers about ‘Allah’? Allah to the Muslim is One, the only One.

    Why the Muslim in Malaysia is so apprehensive about using the word Allah in the Malay language Bible? It is about ‘ Akidah’ or Faith in Muslim belief and submission. Allah is synonymous to One, only One. The mother tongue of the Malay is the Malay language. The Malay might be mistaken by the concept of Allah is One if it refers when happen to read the word of ‘Allah’ (Jesus Christ is God in the Godheads) used in the Malay language Bible. As the Trinity in Christianity and Allah is One in Islam, both are doctrines of the believers to their religions.

    Just imagine when the ‘Word’ Allah is used in these forms.

    “In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) , and the Word(Jesus) was with ALLAH, and the Word (Jesus) was ALLAH.” New Living Translation (©2007)

    “In the beginning the Word (Jesus) already existed. The Word (Jesus) was with ALLAH , and the Word (Jesus) was ALLAH.” English Standard Version (©2001)

    John 8:58 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus (Allah)answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

    Colossians 1:15 He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible ALLAH, the firstborn over all creation.

    Revelation 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Jesus of ALLAH.

    With peace in mind and harmony in thoughts and with streams of consciousness, we rest my case in the sprite of peace and harmony:

    Article 11 – Freedom of religion
    Article 11 provides that every person has the right to profess and practice his own religion. Every person has the right to propagate his religion, but state law and, in respect of the Federal Territories, federal law may control or restrict the propagation of any religious doctrine or belief among Muslims. There is, however, freedom to carry on missionary work among non-Muslims.

    Rockets Inc.


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