Guan Eng should be arrested for inciting and instigating

DAP Secretary General and Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng two weeks ago in a Pakatan Rakyat convention said that DAP Political Secretary Teoh Beng Hock was murdered. That caused a row. A Police Report was made and Selangor Police is set to investigate, which include him being called for an interview.

However Chinese Chauvinist Lim claimed the process was all about ‘victimising’ him.

The Star has the report:

Saturday January 2, 2010

Lim: I’m being victimised

GEORGE TOWN: Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng claims that he is being victimised by the Selangor police for his statement that political aide Teoh Beng Hock had been murdered.

Lim said he had spoken about this at the Pakatan Rakyat convention in Shah Alam on Dec 19, based on the testimony and findings of Thai pathologist Dr Porntip Rojanasunan.

He said Dr Porntip had testified in court that Teoh’s death was 80% due to homicide.

Lim said he believes that he was not the first and only person to speak on that matter.

“The Selangor police spent so much time and wasted resources going after elected representatives, including launching an investigation against me.

“I leave it to the people to judge on this issue,” he told reporters after flagging off some 100 participants in a free heritage trail walkabout here in conjunction with the George Town City Day celebration yesterday.


Why did Lim made the statement, even based on Dr. Porntip’s statement?

The fact is that, Dr. Porntip made the statement based on photos, irresponsibly without even having going through an autopsy on the corpse. It is unprofessional for Dr. Porntip to make that deduction just based on photos. And it is very irresponsible for Pakatan Rakyat, especially Lim Guan Eng to parrot what Dr. Porntip, without substantiating any credible proofs.

Dr. Porntip’s unqualified statement was used for Teoh’s family to request that another autopsy be carried out. Since then, the corpse was ordered by coroner Azmil Muntapa Abas to be exhumed and a second autopsy was also ordered. A very senior pathologist Sungai Buloh Hospital Chief Pathologist Dr. Shahidan Md. Noor was to lead the second autopsy, with an eminent British pathologist Dr. Peter Vanezis and Dr. Porntip observing.

NST online had the story, six weeks ago:

Second Beng Hock autopsy today


By Lee Shi-Ian

SEMENYIH: The body of political aide Teoh Beng Hock was exhumed at the Semenyih Memorial Centre yesterday morning in the presence of police and pathologists. Keeping a watchful eye were Teoh’s family, counsel Gobind Singh Deo, independent Thai forensic pathologist Dr Pornthip Rojanasunan and pathologists from the Sungai Buloh Hospital.

Also present were Dr Khairul Azman Ibrahim of Tengku Ampuan Rahimah Hospital and Dr Prashant Naresh Samberkar of University Malaya Medical Centre, who conducted the first autopsy. The body was taken to Sungai Buloh Hospital, arriving at 11.35am.

On Nov 4, coroner Azmil Muntapha Abas granted an application by Teoh’s family to exhume the body following Dr Pornthip’s testimony in court last month that the probability of homicide was 80 per cent.

Teoh’s body was X-rayed and a computed axial tomography scan (CT scan) was also done.

Dr Pornthip said the body was in a good condition and the autopsy would be performed today by a team of pathologists from the Sungai Buloh Hospital.

Last night, Teoh’s brother, a security guard and a policeman kept watch over the body.

Independent Thai forensic pathologist Dr Pornthip Rojanasunan (centre) says the body was in a good condition and the autopsy will be performed today.


         Independent Thai forensic pathologist Dr Pornthip Rojanasunan (centre) says the body was in a good condition and the autopsy will be performed today.

Gobind said he was disappointed that the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission had not sent a representative to ascertain that the exhumation process had gone smoothly.

“The X-rays and CT scan are to ascertain the injuries suffered by Teoh. The second post-mortem will be an open affair to ensure that no stones are left unturned in the quest for the truth.”

Teoh’s former boss, Selangor executive councillor Ean Yong Hian Wah, said there were people who believed that Teoh’s death was not a suicide.

Teoh’s family filed the application to exhume the body on Oct 27 following Dr Pornthip’s testimony that there was an 80 per cent chance that Teoh’s death was the result of a homicide.

Her evidence contradicted the findings of the two pathologists who had conducted the first post-mortem.

Dr Pornthip said she found injury marks on Teoh, which suggested that there was strangulation and that he was unconscious when he fell.

She also testified that there were pre-fall injuries at the anal region and the back of his right thigh.

Teoh was found sprawled on the roof of the fifth floor of Plaza Masalam, which houses the Selangor MACC, in Shah Alam, at 1.30pm on July 16.
He was earlier being interviewed by the MACC in connection with the investigation of several Pakatan Rakyat assemblymen.



The statement on Teoh Beng Hock is murdered because he was found dead outside the Selangor MACC headquarters is subjudice, to the current Inquest held by a coroner inquiry in the Shah Alam Courts. The findings of the inquest is at this point of time inconclusive on the ‘sudden death’ of Teoh. For this contempt of court, Lim Guan Eng should be hurled to the courts and thrown the book at him. He should be made to face the maximum sentence of 2 years jail.

This is part of Chinese Chauvinist strategy to discredit all enforcement agencies and authorities, especially the Police, MACC, Attorney General’s Chamber, Judiciary, Local Authorities and others. As is, the strategy is thought to will harbour deep distrust and eventually hatred for these enforcement agencies which is led by Malays. This is undoubtably Chinese Chauvinist DAP anti-Malay attitude. This latest statement by Lim Guan Eng, as the Secretary General of party which controls one of the most wealthiest state in Malaysia should be regarded as ‘inciting and instigating’ and he should be charged under the Seditions Act, if not hurled under Emergency Ordinance for stirring up deep distrust and tantamounting to hatred against MACC.

There is no reason to think otherwise. As far as we can remember, the Chinese Chauvinists never once acknowlegded, let alone commended the Police or MACC for a good job and service rendered.

It is time the book be thrown for Malaysians like Lim Guan Eng. They live in the comfort of the unconditional blanket of security these law enforcement agencies provided over them, and yet they insult them conveniently where ever possible. What is insulting, it is uner the guise of “Freedom of speech” and “Exercising democracy”. This is utter abuse of their rights as citizens of Malaysia!

*Updated 1030pm

Lim Guan Eng is questioning why MACC did not want to accept Dr. Porntip’s input on the ‘sudden death’ of Teoh beng Hock. has the story:

January 02, 2010 15:27 PM

DAP Slams MACC Over Police Report Against Dr Pornthip

PENANG, Jan 2 (Bernama) — The DAP took to task the Malaysian Anti-Corrup-tion Commission (MACC) for lodging a police report against Thai pathologist Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand.

Its secretary-general Lim Guan Eng said this was the first time in Malaysian history that accusations had been made against a pathologist for carrying out his or her duties.

“I am surprised to find out that the MACC is lodging a police report against Dr Pornthip who is just here to work for the truth,” he told reporters after launching the “No Plastic Bags on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday” campaign at Komtar here on Saturday.

Yesterday, two MACC officers lodged police reports at the Shah Alam district police headquarters against the “Suara Keadilan” tabloid and Dr Pornthip over an article in it which allegedly said the pathologist had confirmed murder was the cause of death of Selangor political aide Teoh Beng Hock, who had been questioned by the MACC.

Lim added that the action by the MACC would be seen as an act to put pressure on the pathologist to cover up the truth.

On July 16 last year, Teoh, 30, the political aide to Selangor state executive councillor Ean Yong Hian Wah, was found dead on the fifth floor of Plaza Masalam in Shah Alam after he had given a statement as a witness on alleged misuse of allocations for state assemblymen in Selangor, at the MACC office located on the 14th floor of the same building.

The Coroner’s inquest into his death is ongoing.



Is that what Lim Guan Eng banking on, as his defense against making subjudice acusation on Teoh Beng Hock’s ‘sudden death’, when a coroner’s inquiry is still ongoing?

The fact is that, Dr. Porntip’s wild and speculative acusation of the probability of 80% that Teoh “Was killed” is made purely on photos. She did not do an autopsy on the corpse. Maybe Thai law’s allow vivid professional opinion based purely on photos be a conclusive determination of the death, but that is not acceptable here in Malaysia. The two pathologists did an autopsy on Teoh’s remains and their testimony should be the merits in the inquiry. Since the case is high profile and attracted too much attention and possibly could be turned into an explosive political agenda, the coroner presiding accepted the family’s request that a second autopsy be carried out. Hence, on 4 Nov 2009 magistrate Azmil Muntapha ordered the exhumation for Teoh’s corpse and a second autopsy is be carried out. The coroner inquiry has yet to be presented with the report of the second autopsy.

What ever opinion on Teoh’s ‘sudden death’, should be pronounced as a testimony in the coroner’s inquiry, now ongoing. That is how it is practiced here in Malaysia.

It is very irresponsible for a Chief Minster and Secretary General of DAP Lim Guan Eng to use Dr. Porntip’s unqualified opinion and  he has committed a contempt of court to make a subjudice acusation when the coroner’s inquiry is still ongoing. He should be charged and tried for this crime.



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  1. This Lim Guan Eng fellow is not smart at all, is he? That’s saying it in a very polite manner.

    How can he use the word “murder” when the inquest into TBH’s death is still going on? The fact that Dr Porntip had testified in court that Teoh’s death was an 80% likelihood of homicide cannot be used as an excuse to use the word. Doesn’t he know that the very inquest was to determine the cause of death? Doesn’t he know that the inquest was not yet completed and, in fact, a second autopsy was scheduled to be carried out? He surely knew but he was flouting the law, insulting the the Police, the MACC and the Court official conducting the inquest.

    Again, saying he was not the first and only person to speak on that matter is no excuse for him to use the word “murder”. Come on, man. You’re a Chief Minister, for goodness sake.

    What sense of responsibility has he got? What kind of leadership does he show? The destructive kind? The unlawful kind?

    He had even blamed the MACC and held the MACC responsible for the death of TBH even before the Police fully launched its investigation, let alone complete it. It’s a complete and utter lack of respect for established authority, a total disregard and contempt for the role of the Police, the MACC and the court official conducting the inquest.

    He certainly deserves to be arrested and placed behind bars.

  2. Yes, “It is time the book be thrown for Malaysians like Lim Guan”. There are many of them.

    In singapor arse hole like this would have been hauled to court a long time age… most probably
    end up a bankrup.

    He said, “The Selangor police spent so much time and wasted resources going after elected representatives, including launching an investigation against me.”

    Going after potential cases is never a wasted resourses and time… even if the person is an elected representative. Basically you are like any other citizens. Dont ever think you are above the law.

    So sometimes it is better to watch what you say.


    • This planning and action that Selangor Police is doing, if not done, then it will lead to anarchy and eventually destruction of the Malaysian fabric of society. This is because Lim Guan Eng and the Chinese Chauvinist DAP (pests) are sowing deep dsitrust and tantamounting hatred against Malay controlled enforcement and law agencies such as the Police, Military, MACC, AG’s Chamber, Judiciary, local authorities etc.

      That is why we are making this call. We want to create strong public and civil awareness that what Lim Guan Eng is doing is subjudice and should be judged by teh courts.

      • Yes, Brother Anuar Bin Ibrahim (BABI?)has been trying to “lead to anarchy and eventually destruction of the Malaysian fabric of society” for so long.

        Now this Guan Eng is trying to tumpang sekaki.

        I support your call, Big Dog, Lin Guan Eng must be investigated.


  3. Bro, lu ingat kerajaan hari ini ada berani ke tangkap ikan besar, bukankah ini warisan kerajaan yang lembek – sama sahaja bro.

    • Kita beri peluang Polis Selangor menyelesaikan penyiasatan mereka dahulu. Telah diumumkan bahawa Lim Guan ENg akan dipanggil minggu depan untuk melengkapkan siasatan.

      Kita mempunyai penuh keyakinan yang Polis akan bertindak mengikut peruntukan perundangan.

      Kalau tiada kes, baru kita ‘tekan’.

  4. please do not fall prey again to this type of trick by the ‘drama’ pr parties.

    they need chaos to survive. so instigations, exaggerations, hatred, lies, accusations, defamations are all their surviving tools.

    remember this, they want to be caught to raise their political mileage. they only know this trick to live on.

    haven’t we see? recall how this lge has no answer but baseless continuous accusation when ksk asked for proof of mismanagement of land issues on live broadcast debate on national tv channels?

    we should have used to their ‘style’ already by now, and nothing, absolutely nothing, should surprise us anymore from their mouth.

    • Bro,
      “we should have used to their ’style’ already by now, and nothing, absolutely nothing, should surprise us anymore from their mouth.”

      May be to some of us. How about the others? Some would believe anything said by certain leaders as God’s truth.

      It has been said here many times, if the lies were repeated many times, it becomes believeable.

      It is clearly implied here that the Police is ivestigating Lim Guan Eng because he is in the opposition or worst because he is a chingkie. It is not because of his contempt of court!

      I believe he is investigated because of his contempt of court.

      May be he used to talk like this at a chinese coffee shop before, when he was an obscured opposition. Old habit die hard

      Now is he going to hide behind this lie and continue to undermine the credibility of our Police and other “Malay controlled enforcement and law agencies such as the Police, Military, MACC, AG’s Chamber, Judiciary, local authorities etc”?

      I say no.

      “they need chaos to survive. so instigations, exaggerations, hatred, lies, accusations, defamations are all their surviving tools”

      This exactly why they should be stoped at all cost.


      • Yes.

        We totally agree.

        All the PR components (DAP, Anwar “Mat King Leather” Ibrahim, Raja Petra etc) thrive on the process of creating anarchy and chaos and they rise into power as an outcome from the confusion, instability and distrurbance created.

        That is why we here do as much as we can to create the awareness amongst bloggosphere sirfers to understand all these structured attempt to undermine stability, especially through intellectual means.

  5. Pembangkang sejak kebelakangan ini sudah semakin berani kerana????? Kerana kita ada menteri amaran yang takut nak bertindak, kalau pihak yang menyokong kerajaan buat salah atau terlepas cakap maka akan ditangkap mereka ni, tetapi pembangkang kata apa pun pihak berkuasa senyap je…..

    Aku kecewa sebenarnya, punya la berani mereka ni sampaikan pemergian MB Perak ke USA pun dijadikan cerita bohong dengan menuduh kononnya D Zambry disyaki sebagai pengganas.

    Hina betul sangan pakatan haram kat Malaysia ni tetapi lebih hina sekiranya pihak berkenaan duduk dan tengok je!

    AKu tak tau nak cakap apa lagi la….

    • Parpu, salam

      Yes menteri amaran + no action cousin, we better prepare for another rough ride


  6. I say friend, did you write all these comments yourself?

    • You don’t have anything to write, do you?

      You have no fact, no argument, nothing to say except trying to sakitkan hati orang for no rhyme or reason.

      You can’t see the language, the lingo, the tone, the grammar, the spelling etc are all different ha?

      Very sad, miserable you. Try to defend your God LGE and Super God LKS lah. They have nothing good for you to say ha? You can’t find anything good in them to say ha? If so, you disappear to MT, MI, MK and so on la. Kacau orang saja. Blardy ….

      • Lim Guan Eng a victim? Grow up lah Guan Eng, you of all people should know about the sedition Act, you were jailed for 18 months towards the end of the 1990s for sedition. The time in Jail apparently did not teach you anything did it? You consciously uttered words that are seditious in the PR convention designed to incite hate on the Government Enforcement Agency, its likely you will be charged for committing sedition and if found guilty you will be sentenced as a repeat offender and that will be very bad not just for you but your father your father also who spend so much time and energy to have you annoited as the next Leader of the DAP after him. The Lim family strangle hold on the DAP will be finally broken and your chauvinistic aspirations will be shattered as well.Goodbye.

      • Dear Deano

        I think that is their modus operandi. The pro-opposition blogs use this tactic to boost their hits.

        They will post comments in droves usually with a common theme like ‘a swallow does not a summer make’ or some other tags like “Melayu Babi”. They often cut and paste age-old comments from elsewhere.

        Although their nics are different, I suspect there is just one or two persons behind these massive comments posted.

        They have done that in The Unspinners, Melayu Bersatu, Rocky Bru and many others.

        We think that they behave like a pack of wolves and ‘attack’ in groups.

        And that is why they are programmed to compute that others will do the same. You see they JUDGE OTHERS BY THEIR OWN STANDARDS.

  7. I don’t think the government dare to charge Lim Guan Eng of anything. Najib is useless, spineless, stupid.

    • Yang ini, aku cukup heran. Kenapa polis biorkan anarkis cam LGE ni bebas cakap apa dia hendak???

      Dulu kenapa Karpal Singh tak kena ISA, sebab hina Sultan Perak pun aku tak faham!

      Apasal polis biorkan anti Melayu cam gini bermaharaja lela????

      Kalau zaman Tun Hanif atau Tan Sri Rahim Noor, tiap tiap sekor dah kena ISA dah ni!!!!!

      Apa tak nya????

      Menimbulkan kemarahan rakyat dgn menghasut!

      • Sebab flip-flopping and selalu-mengantuk Pak Lah mahukan legasi sebagai seorang l-i-b-e-r-a-l kononnya.

        Juga sebab Menteri dalam negerinya melompat ke sana kemari, termasuk berkejar kenegeri Cina minta ma’af Polis suruh perempuan cangkung, rakyat Cina kononya, tapi akhirnya didapati rakyat Malaysia, malu diketawakan diseluruh dunia.

        Sekarang pun, tak berapa faham tujuan Kerajaan hendak meminda ISA. Naik tocanglah mereka yang membantah ISA. Pada hal, US pun masih ada tahanan tanpa bicara diGuantanamo Bay.

  8. How come Lim Eng Guan is so damn sure that it was MACC who kill TBH? Just because the incident took place while TBH was there? Kalau itu lah logiknya, ish,ish,bodoh bebenor le si MACC ni yea..pi bunoh tetamu dlm rumah sendiri.Lim Eng Guan pulak dah lupa ke apa yang di maksudkan dgn ‘motif’? Apa kah motifnya MACC bunoh saksi utama dia tu? Dah buang tabiat ke?
    Teman nak nengok macam mana muka2 si DAP ni bila kemudian di sahkan bahawa Tan Boon Wah lah yg campak TBH kut tingkap tu..

  9. Dear Sir,
    I believe Eddy has a point that Guan Eng knows that he was being seditious.
    Looking at the state of Penang is right now, I believe he is doing a Gorbind (Kick out of Parliment so can concentrate on making money in law) or a Zaid Ibrahim (Cannot dojob as Law Minister so feign “principles”) so that action will be taken against him and he can claim that was why he can’t do a proper job.

  10. Lim Guan Eng wants himself to be caught. If he is in jail, he has a valid excuse NOT to perform his responsibility to the Penang people.

    He has failed, anyway.

    Smart guy.

  11. Dear BD,
    I’m a wee bit late in joining the crowd. It’is as clear as daylight that Guan Eng has committed an offence or offences under the law. It’s subjudiced for him to pre-judge the “cause of death” when the Inquest is still on going. An inquest is NOT a trial. It’s to ASCERTAIN THE CAUSE OF DEATH, whether due to misadventure or due to criminal acts or act by person known or unknown. A trial then shall be held.
    The eccentric Thai pathologist does not understand Malaysian law. Over here we cannot pre-empt or make presumptious comment on the result of an on going case.
    It is very clear that the case is being over politicised. I’ve yet to read commentary by some legal brains or politicians as to the motive of the murder (if it was a murder after all).
    I believe Beng Hock must be singing good songs during the “interview”. Why eliminate him when he could be a substantive witness.
    I think the DAP is exploiting this development to avoid the shits that are already accumulating on the ground in Selangor from being publicly known. They are just simply deploying diversionary tactics.
    This problem could go on because the Govt does not seem to have an effective psywar and psyops machinery that could put these people in their proper places.

    • The problem could go on also because of what the writer in Ideotique blogspot says:

      “Half-baked and naive liberalism, insensitive to history, context and absolute principles and values, may only lead to deeper and new problems, far from solving existing ones.”

    • Thank your your thoughts.

      Personally, I don’t believe it is murder. I strongly thought that Teoh jumped off the window.


      He knew too much. When he spilled the beans, the realisation sets in. The idealistic young man who wanted to change the world is deep in the problems he was fighting when he was ‘outside’. Now that he is ‘inside’ and made ‘turned to the darkside’ (the temptations were far too ‘inviting’!), it was for too unbearable for his idealism.

      Then again, its best to wait for the coroner’s verdict, which is rather shortly.

      Regardless, Lim Guan Eng as an office bearer shouldn’t do this.

      Yes, you are right. Teoh’s sudden death has now a political agenda for the PR. Obviously, they are facing lack of issues to remain relevant. Especially in Selangor. When Dato’ Seri Dr. Khir Toyo left the state government, they had RM 1.4billion in reserves. Now, Khalid Ibrahim brought it down to only RM 500mn. Soon, sometime in 2010, Selangor state government will start to borrow, to sustain annual spending.

      Obviously they need a new agenda to stay relevant. Afterall, 13GE is within 2 years time.

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