DAP’s anti-national agenda

 

Jagdeep Singh Deo with father DAP Chairman Karpal Singh

ADUN for  Datuk Keramat Jagdeep Singh Deo yesterday wanted the Penang State Government to make English as the second official language for the DAP controlled state.


November 08, 2010 17:27 PM

Proposal To Make English Second Official Language Of Penang

GEORGE TOWN, Nov 8 (Bernama) — A backbencher today suggested that the DAP government of Penang consider making English the second official language of the state in view of the desire to make George Town an international city.

Jagdeep Singh Deo (DAP-Datuk Keramat) said English was also important because it was the lingua franca in most countries of the world.

“I am not dismissing Bahasa Malaysia as the national language and official language of the country, but English is also important, and I ask the state government to consider making it the second official language in Penang,” he said during the debate on the Supply Bill 2011 in the state assembly.

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This proposal clearly contravene Article 152 of the Federal Constitution. Bahasa Melayu is the official language and the only language to have an official status, which include for official use by governments which include state governments. It is also the language that is used in the courts. Under the provision, other languages are allowed to be used as long as its not in official capacity, which means that English is accepted  in daily use for purpose of commerce etcetera. So far, English had been used widely for other than official state government business purposes and the position of Bahasa Melayu being the official language never hindered any progress for the Penang state.

Jagdeep’s proposal will diminish the position of Bahasa Melayu in the State of Penang as English would be ‘alternative’ official language, which include State Government official business. This will make Penang no different from Singapore.

It is clear Jagdeep who is DAP Party Chairman Karpal Singh’s son agenda on behalf of the anti-Malay party to diminish the Malay influence for the Chinese Chauvinist controlled state. It is a typical DAP move to provoke and antagonise the Malays for the purpose of to systematically promote the anti Malay agenda.

In a landmark 1982 case, High Court of Malaya ruled that it was seditious to even raise points challenging the Article 152, even in the august house. Case in point is Mark Koding. Hence, Jagdeep should be investigated under Seditions Act.

*Updated 1800hrs

Thank you blogger Sat-D for your input

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  1. And what Mahathir did previously to enforce the use of English language in the teaching of Math and Science subjects, was not anti-national? I just bring the subject to clarify your stand in this issue.

    Don’t bring crappy argument like anti-national agenda or whatever to strengthen your point, in-fact bring something more tangible like the good and the bad if this is to be implemented. The product of an elite school of the ’80s like you should be able to come up your own thoughts of things than to hide behind public sentiment like this.

    Whereas what Mahathir did back then was actually making the subjects harder for the students to grasp, resulted in their poor grade, I don’t see any bad outcome from this implementation of English as an official second language of the state. It will be more tourist-friendly and encourage the public to use the international language in their daily communication.

    • Matcrack = And what Mahathir did previously to enforce the use of English language in the teaching of Math and Science subjects, was not anti-national? I just bring the subject to clarify your stand in this issue.

      Ray = What a lame comparison! matcrack equates 2 subjects in English with making English as the second OFFICIAL language. Hullo, please learn to compare apples with apples not hairline crack with natural cracklines.

      Matcrack = Don’t bring crappy argument like anti-national agenda or whatever to strengthen your point, in-fact bring something more tangible like the good and the bad if this is to be implemented. The product of an elite school of the ’80s like you should be able to come up your own thoughts of things than to hide behind public sentiment like this.

      Ray = See who is the one getting personal? What’s more – hit below the belt type.

      Matcrack = Whereas what Mahathir did back then was actually making the subjects harder for the students to grasp, resulted in their poor grade,

      Ray = Ooooohh, then how come parents are petitioning for these two subjects to be taught in English, huh?

      Matcrack = I don’t see any bad outcome from this implementation of English as an official second language of the state.

      Ray = Yeah right, you don’t see coz you have cataract in your perception. For starters, every official document will now have to be printed in two languages, not very environmentally friendly. Psst, in the red dot every official document or announcement HAVE to be in 4 (four) different languages. Just imagine the number of trees they must cut down to achieve this. Secondly, the nons in Malaysia will just ignore the national language as seen among the Chinese who refused to speak Bahasa Melayu even today. They DEMAND chinese translation as if it is their right. See how arrogant these nons can be. And this is BEFORE implementing English as the second official language. Soon enough they will demand mandarin, tamil, what have you too.

      Matcrack = It will be more tourist-friendly and encourage the public to use the international language in their daily communication.

      Ray = Knock knock! Any grey matter at home up there? Are you seriously saying that without English as the official language, tourists are NOT coming to Malaysia? Aiyoyo, how lame can your argument be?

      • Am otherwise occupied these days but just wanna say bloody good points, ray, very well argued.

        I like the knock knock on the grey matter thingy. Did he say his name was Matkreko?

  2. short sighted comment and unrelated comparison. Better read the article in between the lines, matkreko

  3. What a sham! I was expecting you to quote any from Article 152 that specifically prohibited other language to be used as a translation for the national language being used in official status; which is not there.

    Or cross reference that to Act 32, specifically Article 3 (and to some extend, Article 4) which give the permission of English language to be used officially for the purpose of public interest. No I guess, cause it just shunned your argument.

    For the sake of argument, I should stress out that ‘alternative’ does not mean ‘replacement’, rather a ‘complement’ – so diminishing the position of Bahasa Melayu as an official language is a non-existence issue since the start.

    And I don’t know why you hold grudge against Singapore, to the point of whatever they’re doing is bad. In fact, we should be able to learn a thing or two from them on how they have progressed far beyond ourselves as a nation, even without abundant natural resources as we do.

    Probably, seeing everything with prejudice is the stumbling block of our nation progress…

    • Art 3(religion), 4(supreme law) and 32(supreme head). There is no such thing exist as per your claims that english is permissible by law to act as an official language. Seriously matkreko did you ever read the constitution?

      There is not an issue if english is being used as a translation of BM however the writer is right in pointing out that english shall never be an official language in M’sia according to constitution or was it the singaporean constitution you were refering to?

      We are not envy of singaporean and we are not the one who mention about getting together again. Geez matkreko better get your facts straight.

      • Hello sham!

        Act 32 is the extension of Article 152 of Federal Constitution. It is titled “National Language Act 1963/1967”. Go check Article 3 and 4 in that act.

        Okay, I should make my stand clear here. If the use of English as a second official language is to replace the current use of Bahasa Melayu in official letter etc., then I’m against it as this will definitely side-lined the status of BM as the official language.

  4. Have to agree with Matkreko’s take on this. IMHO sometimes the pro-UMNO bloggers just like to fuss unnecessarily.

  5. The more important questions are

    How can the state government make English as the Second “Official” Language without requesting for the necessary ammendements in Article 152?

    Does this proposal falls within the ambit of Schedule 9 of our Federal Consti?

    Is asking for ammendement to Article 152 Seditious?

    We’ve seen how the judge in Mark Koding ruled that “To my mind, by suggesting that Article 152 should be amended, the Accused is technically guilty of sedition punishable under s 4(1)(b) of the Act.” go here

    How different is this proposal by this baie?

    If not A POLICE REPORT is in order.

  6. Berdasarkan Kes Mark Koding, bukankah usul B.I. ini seditious?

  7. why am i not surprised by Deo’s proposal?

  8. Mula2 english dulu la, lepas tu bahasa keling dan bahasa tongkang pulak jadi 3rd, 4th national language atas alasan commercial values laa konon. Lepas dah dapat status tu, makin senang la pukimak-pukimak anak haram ni nak justifikasikan kewujudan sekolah2 jenis haram vernakular.

  9. Matcrack

    Did you know that “Singapore Malays are considered to be the indigenous native group of the country. BUT they cover ONLY 14.9% of the population”. – taken from http://www.focussingapore.com/information-singapore/ethnic-groups-in-singapore.html

    Have you ever wondered why?

    P.S. You better rebut your opponents purely with intellect supported by facts and figures.

    • ray,

      I really hope that you can expand your ‘intellect’ a little bit more. For you to digest: if one website say a statement of fact, it is not necessarily the ‘absolute’ truth. 😛

      Do your own research before submitting something like this.

      In this subject, do you know that “Tanah Melayu” as you call it (and includes that small island called “Singa Pura”) is not the place where the original Malays are from? The indigenous are the natives like Jakun, Senoi, Negrito etc., and would you care to give the percentage of population as they are now?

      • If you expanded a little bit, then you’ll find out that the negritos, semang etc are all being classified as “malayo” polynesia because of their physical and language similarities.
        The malays being part of the group that encompassing from the region of madagascar to australia. So my learned friend, whether it is the malay or negrito or others as well, they’re all under the same umbrella. This is the very reason why the region was called the malay’s archipelago. I’ve not touch yet on the past civilisation of srivijaya, langkasuka, champa, lembah bujang etc. By the way the great migration of malay from hunan china is one of hypothesis that has been challenge when evidences unearthed with proof of the perak man and the lenggong era.

      • Matcrack

        Is this a case of “You missed the jungle for a tree” or more accurately “can’t see the forest for the trees”. Heh Heh

        This is not about origins at all!! Let me spell out VERY clearly to you that this is about the percentage of Malays to the whole population that was amazingly maintained at that minority level, even after the bright chinese and indians migrate to greener pastures.

        Perhaps I should include this for your enlightenment and intellectual upgrade.

        http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/09/29/lee-kuan-yew-we-are-largely-chinese-and-indians/

        Lee kuan yew said, “We’re trying to do that. But we are hampered by culture. We’re largely Chinese and Indians. And both Chinese and Indians, the best go into government, (they) don’t go into enterprise.”

        In an interview with National Geographic magazine this year, he said, “Well, we make them say the national pledge and sing the national anthem but suppose we have a famine, will your Malay neighbour give you the last few grains of rice or will she share it with her family or fellow Muslim or vice versa?”.

        Though he admitted himself he is not doing much work lately except “forecasting”, he is paid more than $3 million dollars a year by Singapore taxpayers.

      • ray, stop quoting from that senile old man, lest you will be regarded as one too.

        sham, “Malayo Polynesia” is a language subgroup not to define the ethnic, rather a similar kind of language used by groups of people. Then, if you go by physical characteristic, Malay race belongs to subrace of both Ethiopians and Mongoloids, which is over 50 thousands years origin than the Perak man’s 11 thousand years.

        But, I don’t intend to go into details of the origin of the Malays, but the point I want to make is – none of this land belongs to any particular ethnic or race. We are all coming to this world as ‘pengembara’ and ‘pendatang’. Nobody can determine to what race they are born into, so stop glorifying one over the other.

      • Matkreko,

        Read the book, “Budaya Alam Melayu”, by Mohd Aroff Ishak, published by The Historical Society of Malaysia, 2009. It tells the scores of scientific studies and researches done by linguists, anthropologists, archaeologists and others since the time of Captain Cook in the mid 19th Century, continued into the 20th Century and heightened in the 2nd half of the 20th Century.

        You’ll find that the large Family of Malays include the Proto Malays (Orang Asli), Deutero Malays (Malaysian Malays, Indonesians, Filipinos and others), Malayo Polynesians and Austronesians. The Malays originated some 5,000 yers ago from the Malay Archipelago and have been in and out of Nusantara. They have developed boat building and navigational skills, travelled up to Madagascar, South Africa (Malay communities exist there to this day), Australia and New Zealand, Indochina (Champa Malays are still a distinct community in Cambodia and Vietnam now), to Taiwan, the Pacific up to Hawaii. Shall we claim Hawaii from the Americans some day?

        The large Malay Family or Rumpun Melayu has over 1,200 languages, classified by the linguists and other experts as Malay languages. These include the natives of Sabah and Sarawak and they are also included in the “Rumpun Melayu” totalling some 350 million people.

      • Abu,

        I pointed out to the forest, and you still searching around the same tree. 🙂

        Knock knock on the grey matter, eh?

  10. “stop quoting from that senile old man, lest you will be regarded as one too” – matcrack not only has the cheek to tell others what to do, he often gets personal as well.

    That very same “senile old man” should be listened to especially NOW coz he is letting slips of HIS tongue reflect his TRUE stance.

    BD mentioned lky because he wants to forewarn his readers of the direction the DAP is going – very much similiar to PAP’s singapore.

    P.S. TQ for reusing the knock knock phrase, quite catchy huh. What more need I say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    • Flattered yourself, ray!

      No, I don’t worry so much about direction or intent of the proposal which is still open for debate. Proper debate in the House will refine the proposal and bring out the bad and good of it, followed by the correct decision that benefit all.

      What I am worried more is the bastardization of the House by BN-UMNO government, such as what was done by that mamak Zambry in Perak, rushing through the budget proposal without the usual proper debate.

      • Tsk tsk tsk

        … such personal attacks and allegations that are purely speculative and unsubstantiated.

        Kinda reflect your worth as a person, you know.


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