Pillars of Hypocrite Murderers

The unlawful state of Israel is the modern world’s worst tragedy against humanity. Renown British journo Robert Fisk, who was the first Westerner to tell the tale of the ‘Massacre at Sabra and Chatila’ refugee camps on 17 September 1982, came up with his most recent analysis of the Zionist Israelis’ murderous nature.

Robert Fisk: ‘Opening the gates of hell’ and 40 years of other Middle East cliches



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Monday November 19 2012

Terror, terror, terror, terror, terror. Here we go again. Israel is going to “root out Palestinian terror” – which it has been claiming to do, unsuccessfully, for 64 years – while Hamas announces that Israel has “opened the gates of hell” by murdering its military leader, Ahmed al-Jabari.

Hezbollah announced several times that Israel had “opened the gates of hell” for attacking Lebanon. Yasser Arafat too waffled on about the “gates of hell”.

And we journos are repeating all the cliches we’ve used for the past 40 years.

The killing of Mr Jabari was a “targeted attack” – like the Israeli “surgical air strikes”, which killed almost 17,000 civilians in Lebanon in 1982, the 1,200 Lebanese, most of them civilians, in 2006, and the 11 civilians killed in one Gaza house yesterday.

At least Hamas, with their Godzilla rockets, don’t claim anything “surgical” about them. They are meant to murder Israelis – any Israeli, man, woman or child.

As, in truth, are the Israeli attacks on Gaza. But don’t say that or you’ll be an anti-Semitic Nazi.

The new exchange rate in Gaza for Palestinian and Israeli deaths has reached 16:1. It will rise, of course. The exchange rate in 2008-9 was 100:1.

Washington supports Israel’s “right to defend itself”, then claims a spurious neutrality – as if Israel’s bombs didn’t come from the US as assuredly as the Fajr-5 rockets come from Iran.

Meanwhile, the pitiful British foreign secretary William Hague holds Hamas “principally responsible” for the latest war.

But there is no such evidence. According to ‘The Atlantic Monthly’, the Israeli killing of a “mentally unfit” Palestinian who strayed towards the border may have been the start of the latest war.

But is there nothing to stop this nonsense, this garbage war? Hundreds of rockets fall on Israel. True. Thousands of acres of land are stolen from Arabs by Israel – for Jews and Jews only – on the West Bank. But we’re encouraged to ignore that.

There are, we are told, only good guys and bad guys in this outrageous conflict in which the Israelis claim to be the good guys to the applause of Western countries (who then wonder why a lot of Muslims don’t like Westerners very much).

The problem, oddly, is that Israel’s actions are bringing closer the very event which Israeli fears every day: Israel’s destruction.

In the battle of rockets, a new warpath is being trodden by both sides.

It’s no longer about Israeli tanks crossing the Lebanese border or the Gaza border. It’s about rockets and hi-tech drones and computer attacks.

And if Benjamin Netanyahu believes that the arrival of the first Iranian Fajr rockets necessitates the Israeli big bang on Iran, and then Iran fires back – and perhaps at the Americans, too – and brings in Hezbollah – and Obama gets swallowed up in another Western-Muslim war, what happens then?

Well, Israel will plead yet again for the undying support of the West in its struggle against world evil, Iran included.

And why not praise the killing of Mr Jabari? Please forget that the Israelis negotiated via the German secret service with Mr Jabari himself, less than 12 months ago. You can’t negotiate with “terrorists”, right?

Israel calls this latest bloodbath Operation Pillar of Defence. Pillar of Hypocrisy, more like.


Stratfor.com gave an account of the regional power play, United States influence and the Zionist Israelis’ murderous operations since this same time four years ago, when the Americans were deciding who would become President and continued to present day:

Israel and Gaza: Then and Now

November 19, 2012 | 1400 GMT


Palestinian supporters of Hamas wave the movement’s flags as they demonstrate on the rubble of a house in Gaza City on Jan. 30, 2009

Four years ago on Nov. 4, while Americans were going to the polls to elect a new president, Israeli infantry, tanks and bulldozers entered the Gaza Strip to dismantle an extensive tunnel network used by Hamas to smuggle in weapons. An already tenuous truce mediated by the Egyptian government of Hosni Mubarak had been broken. Hamas responded with a barrage of mortar and rocket fire lasting several weeks, and on Dec. 27, 2008, Israel began Operation Cast Lead. The military campaign began with seven days of heavy air strikes on Gaza, followed by a 15-day ground incursion. By the end of the campaign, nearly 1,000 poorly guided shorter-range rockets and mortar shells hit southern Israel, reaching as far as Beersheba and Yavne. Several senior Hamas commanders and hundreds of militants were killed in the fighting. Israel Defense Forces figures showed that 10 IDF soldiers died (four from friendly fire), three Israeli civilians died from Palestinian rocket fire and 1,166 Palestinians were killed — 709 of them combatants.

The strategic environment during the 2008-2009 Operation Cast Lead was vastly different from the one Israel faces in today’s Operation Pillar of Defense. To understand the evolution in regional dynamics, we must return to 2006, the year that would set the conditions for both military campaigns.

Setting the Stage

2006 began with Hamas winning a sweeping electoral victory over its ideological rival, Fatah. Representing the secular and more pragmatic strand of Palestinian politics, Fatah had already been languishing in Gaza under the weight of its own corruption and its lackluster performance in seemingly fruitless negotiations with Israel. The political rise of Hamas led to months of civil war between the two Palestinian factions, and on June 14, Hamas forcibly took control of the Gaza Strip from Fatah. Just 11 days later, Hamas kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalt and killed two others, prompting a new round of hostilities with Israel.

In what appeared to be a coordinated move, Hezbollah on July 12 launched its own raid on Israel’s northern front and kidnapped two additional soldiers, kicking off the month-long Second Lebanon War. As Israel discovered, Hezbollah was well-prepared for the conflict, relying on an extensive tunneling system to preserve its launching crews and weaponry. Hezbollah made use of anti-tank guided missiles, improvised explosive devices that caught Israel Defense Forces by surprise and blunted the ground offensive, and medium-range rockets capable of reaching Haifa. Hezbollah incurred a heavy toll for the fight, with much of the infrastructure in southern Lebanon devastated and roughly 1,300 Lebanese civilian casualties threatening to erode its popular support. Casualty numbers aside, Hezbollah emerged from the 2006 conflict with a symbolic victory. Since 1973, no other Arab army, much less a militant organization, had been able to fight as effectively to challenge Israel’s military superiority. Israel’s inability to claim victory translated as a Hezbollah victory. That perception reverberated throughout the region. It cast doubts on Israel’s ability to respond to much bigger strategic threats, considering it could be so confounded by a non-state militant actor close to home.

At that time, Hamas was contending with numerous challenges; its coup in Gaza had earned the group severe political and economic isolation, and the group’s appeals to open Gaza’s border, and for neighbors to recognize Hamas as a legitimate political actor, went mostly unheeded. However, Hamas did take careful note of Hezbollah’s example. Here was a militant organization that had burnished its resistance credentials against Israel, could maintain strong popular support among its constituents and had made its way into Lebanon’s political mainstream.

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Hezbollah benefited from a strong patron in Iran. Hamas, on the other hand, enjoyed no such support. Mubarak’s Egypt, Bashar al Assad’s Syria, Jordan under the Hashemites and the Gulf monarchies under the influence of the House of Saud all shared a deep interest in keeping Hamas boxed in. Although publically these countries showed support for the Palestinians and condemned Israel, they tended to view Palestinian refugees and more radical groups such as Hamas as a threat to the stability of their regimes.

While Hamas began questioning the benefits of its political experiment, Iran saw an opportunity to foster a militant proxy. Tehran saw an increasingly strained relationship between Saudi Arabia and Hamas, and it took advantage to increase funding and weapons supplies to the group. Forces from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force, along with Hezbollah, worked with Hamas to expand the group’s weapons arsenal and build elaborate tunnels under the Gaza Strip to facilitate its operations. Israel soon began to notice and took action toward the end of 2008.

Operation Cast Lead

Hamas was operating in a difficult strategic environment during Operation Cast Lead. Hezbollah had the benefit of using the rural terrain south of the Litani River to launch rockets against Israel during the Second Lebanon War, thereby sparing Lebanon’s most densely populated cities from retaliatory attacks. Hamas, on the other hand, must work in a tightly constricted geographic space and therefore uses the Palestinian population as cover for its rocket launches. The threat of losing popular support is therefore much higher for Hamas in Gaza than it is for Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. At the same time, operating in a built-up urban environment also poses a considerable challenge for the Israeli military.

During Operation Cast Lead, Cairo did little to hide its true feelings toward Hamas. Though Egypt played a critical role in the cease-fire negotiations, it was prepared to incur the domestic political cost of cracking down on the Rafah border crossing to prevent refugees from flowing into Sinai and to prevent Hamas from replenishing its weapons supply. The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, then in the opposition, took advantage of the situation to publicly rally against the Mubarak regime, but its protests did little to change the situation. Hamas was boxed in by Egypt and Israel.

The rest of the region largely avoided direct involvement. Turkey was focused on internal affairs, and Saudi Arabia remained largely aloof. Jordan’s Hashemite rulers could afford to continue quietly cooperating with Israel without facing backlash. The United States, emerging from an election, was focused on shaping an exit strategy from Iraq. Many of Hamas’ traditional wealthy Gulf donors grew wary of attracting the focus of Western security and intelligence agencies as fund transfers from the Gulf came under closer scrutiny.

Iran was the exception. While the Arab regimes ostracized Hamas, Iran worked to sustain the group in its fight. Tehran’s reasoning was clear and related to Iran’s emergence as a regional power. Iraq had already fallen into Iran’s sphere of influence (though the United States was not yet prepared to admit it), Hezbollah was rebuilding in southern Lebanon, and Iranian influence continued to spread in western Afghanistan. Building up a stronger militant proxy network in the Palestinian territories was the logical next step in Tehran’s effort to keep a check on Israeli threats to strike the Iranian nuclear program.

In early January 2009, in the midst of Operation Cast Lead, Israel learned that Iran was allegedly planning to deliver 120 tons of arms and explosives to Gaza, including anti-tank guided missiles and Iranian-made Fajr-3 rockets with a 40-kilometer (25-mile) range and 45-kilogram (99-pound) warhead. The Iranian shipment arrived at Port Sudan, and the Israeli air force then bombed a large convoy of 23 trucks traveling across Egypt’s southern border up into Sinai. Though Israel interdicted this weapons shipment — likely with Egyptian complicity — Iran did not give up its attempts to supply Hamas with advanced weaponry. The long-range Fajr rocket attacks targeting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem in the current conflict are a testament to Iran’s continued effort.

The Current Geopolitical Environment

Hamas and Israel now find themselves in a greatly altered geopolitical climate. On every one of its borders, Israel faces a growing set of vulnerabilities that would have been hard to envision at the time of Operation Cast Lead.

The most important shift has taken place in Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood carefully used the momentum provided by the Arab Spring to shed its opposition status and take political control of the state. Hamas, which grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood, then faced an important decision. With an ideological ally in Cairo, Egypt no longer presents as high a hurdle to Hamas’ political ambitions. Indeed, Hamas could even try to use its ties to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood to achieve political legitimacy. When unrest spread into Syria and began to threaten Iran’s position in the Levant, Hamas made a strategic decision to move away from the Iran-Syria axis, now on the decline, and to latch itself onto the new apparent regional trend: the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood and its Islamist affiliates across the Arab world.

This rise of the Muslim Brotherhood spread from Egypt to Syria to Jordan, presenting Israel with a new set of challenges on its borders. Egypt’s dire economic situation, the political unrest in its cities, and the Muslim Brotherhood’s uneasy relationship with the military and security apparatus led to a rapid deterioration in security in Sinai. Moreover, a Muslim Brotherhood government in Cairo on friendly terms with Hamas could not be trusted to crack down on the Gaza border and interdict major weapons shipments. A political machine such as the Muslim Brotherhood, which derives its power from the street, will be far more sensitive to pro-Palestinian sentiment than will a police state that can rule through intimidation.

In Syria, Israel has lost a predictable adversary to its north. The balkanization of the Levant is giving rise to an array of Islamist forces, and Israel can no longer rely on the regime in Damascus to keep Hezbollah in check for its own interests. In trying to sustain its position in Syria and Lebanon, Iran has increased the number of its operatives in the region, bringing Tehran that much closer to Israel as both continue to posture over a potential strike against Iranian nuclear facilities.

To Israel’s east, across the Jordan River valley, pressure is also growing on the Hashemite kingdom. An emboldened Muslim Brotherhood has been joined by disillusioned tribes from the East Bank in openly calling for the downfall of the king. High energy costs are severely blunting the kingdom’s ability to contain these protests through subsidies, and the growing crisis in Gaza threatens to spread instability in the West Bank and invigorate Palestinians across the river in Jordan.

Beyond its immediate periphery, Israel is struggling to find parties interested in its cause. The Europeans remain hostile to anything they deem to be excessive Israeli retaliation against the Palestinians. Furthermore, they are far too consumed by the fragmentation of the European Union to get involved with what is happening in the southern Levant.

The United States remains diplomatically involved in trying to reach a cease-fire, but as it has made clear throughout the Syrian crisis, Washington does not intend to get dragged into every conflagration in the Middle East. Instead, the United States is far more interested in having regional players like Egypt and Turkey manage the burden. The United States can pressure Egypt by threatening to withhold financial and military aid. In the case of Turkey, there appears to be little that Ankara can do to mediate the conflict. Turkish-Israeli relations have been severely strained since the 2010 Mavi Marmara incident. Moreover, although the Turkish government is trying to edge its way into the cease-fire negotiations to demonstrate its leadership prowess to the region, Ankara is as wary of appearing too close to a radical Islamist group like Hamas as it is of appearing in the Islamic world as too conciliatory to Israel.

Saudi Arabia was already uncomfortable with backing more radical Palestinian strands, but Riyadh now faces a more critical threat — the regional rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. Islamist political activism poses a direct threat to the foundation of the monarchy, which has steadfastly kept the religious establishment out of the political domain. Saudi Arabia has little interest in the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood encouraging Hamas’ political rise, and Riyadh will thus become even more alienated from the Palestinian theater. Meanwhile Gulf state Qatar, which has much less to lose, is proffering large amounts of financial aid in a bid to increase its influence in the Palestinian territories.

Iran, meanwhile, is working feverishly to stem the decline of its regional influence. At the time of Operation Cast Lead, Iran was steadily expanding its sphere of influence, from western Afghanistan to the Mediterranean. A subsequent U.S. military buildup in the Persian Gulf and an intensifying U.S.-led economic warfare campaign slowed Iran down, but it was the decline of the al Assad regime that put Iran on the defensive. An emboldened Sunni opposition in Syria, backed by the West, Turkey and the Arab Gulf states, could spill into Lebanon to threaten Hezbollah’s position and eventually threaten Iran’s position in Iraq. With each faction looking to protect itself, Iran can no longer rely as heavily on militant proxies in the Levant, especially Palestinian groups that see an alignment with Iran as a liability in the face of a Sunni rebellion. But Iran is also not without options in trying to maintain a Palestinian lever against Israel.

Hamas would not be able to strike Tel Aviv and Jerusalem with long-range rockets had it not been for Iran, which supplied these rockets through Sudan and trained Palestinian operatives on how to assemble them in Gaza. Even if Hamas uses up its arsenal of Fajr-5s in the current conflict and takes a heavy beating in the process, Iran has succeeded in creating a major regional distraction to tie down Israel and draw attention away from the Syrian rebellion. Iran supplied Hezbollah with Zelzal rockets capable of reaching Haifa during the 2006 Second Lebanon War. Hamas was limited to shorter-range Qassam and Grad rockets in Operation Cast Lead but now has Iranian-made Fajr-5s to target Israel’s most cherished cities.

Hamas is now carrying the mantle of resistance from Hezbollah in hopes of achieving a symbolic victory that does not end up devastating the group in Gaza. Israel’s only hope to deny Hamas that victory is to eliminate Hamas’ arsenal of these rockets, all the while knowing that Iran will likely continue to rely on Egypt’s leniency on the border to smuggle more parts and weaponry into Gaza in the future. The Hamas rocket dilemma is just one example of the types of problems Israel will face in the coming years. The more vulnerable Israel becomes, the more prone it will be to pre-emptive action against its neighbors as it tries to pick the time and place of battle. In this complex strategic environment, Operation Pillar of Defense may be one of many similar military campaigns as Israel struggles to adjust to this new geopolitical reality.

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The world should come to terms for the sake of humanity. The Zionist Israelis are the most brutal and bloodthirsty lot for the past 67 years and they have incorporated the most unlawful state in modern world history, based on murder, atrocity and pillage and plunder.

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  1. To our fellow Palestine Muslim you have to be patience.Allah had created the Isreal to be vary powerful people.They are vary rich,vary cunning,vary strong.
    Accoding to Hadith sahih,they can only be defeated toward the end of the world.Even if they hide behind stone,the store will speak and tell the muslim,the Jew are hiding behind it.Only those jews that are hidding behind the three,they call Jureselem pine,will be save.

    Suprisingly even the Jew belief this hadith.If you visit Isreal now,you will notice,in every Jew house,they will plant this three.

    Meantime,you have to endure the suffering?

    • TQ DAP troll masquerading as a Muslim. You don’t have to worry. Allah has defeated Firaun, Ad, Tsamud, Tubba’, Aikah, Sodom … so what is puny Israel. We know our religion quite well.

    • Yes I agree that the bloke is “DAP troll masquerading as a Muslim”.

      He needs to be told that the Jews have for so long been worried about Jews abandoning their religion. Through marriages to non-Jews, through enlightenment and liberalism.

      He must be made to know that Jewish missionary activities have for a long time not been about getting non-Jews to adopt Judaism. But of getting Jews not abandon their religion.

      That’s what scared the Zionists to shit. When Jews and Neocons in US etc diminish in number and their racist tendencies, support for Israel would wane. Look at Mitt Romney. He was supported very strongly by the Jews and the so-called conservative whites. He was trounced by those in favour of Obama.

      And Romney was dropped like a hot potato. Soon after losing the elections, the Republican Party abandoned him. Like the Jews who only go for those that matter and drop Romney when he mattered no more. The time will come when the Americans will drop the Jews. The Blacks, the Hispanics/ Latinos, the Asians and others have greatly increased in numbers in the US. They may not have much money but they are equal to the Jews in the value of each of their votes.

      • Jitu,

        May I add and in light of the spirit of the article, we Muslims have to contend with another phenomenon: ‘brain-washing’ activities that are taking place in churches, that is usurpation and indoctrination by Jews-pretending-Christians that it IS OK for the ZionistS to literally grab the land in Palestine and also exterminate the Palestinians if necessary.

        Texas-based CUFI (Christian for United Israel) headed by master-of-hypocrites John Hagee is a straight-forward example, but many more organizations have sprung out over the years.

        I neither aim to incite suspicion nor prejudice, but I am also warning the Muslims that gullible Christians in Malaysia too have also been brainwashed that Zionists sitting in Palestine is OK on biblical reasons.

        Bear in mind, in terms of belief structure, Christianity is a much open-source product that anything else. That’s why there thousands of denomination incl strange ones like Church of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) aka Mormon. Islam suffer some similar fate but if the hadith is correct, there are 73 strains at most.

        That is why CUFI in the US does not receive much opposition from the mainstream evangelicals because they really think that it is morally upright to crush the Palestinians incl women, children, and old people. God-ordained.

        You wouldn’t believe what is the bottled-up opinions of some of the Christians here in Malaysia on this subject!

        We live in democratic environment in Malaysia where every group aim to change public perception and policy. I bet my last penny that if DAP is in power, the issue and motivation of addressing Palestinian rights will be far mellowed down.

        Thanks to our ‘DAP troll’ pointing out how the Singaporean government have warmed up to Zionist assistance.

        Even though our individual effort may be limited to address the oppression heaped on our brothers and sisters in other places, at heart, it is duty-bound that when an opression takes place, WE HAVE TO TAKE SIDE — either WE SUPPORT THE OPPRESSOR or WE SUPPOSED THE OPPRESSED!

        Every believing Muslim understand this concept because we understand the inside meaning of this authentic hadith:

        “Even if only a day remains for Qiyamah to come, yet Allah will surely send a man from my family who will fill this world with such justice and fairness, just as it initially was filled with OPPRESSION”.

        Strangely too, in Kelantan the Muslims are supplicating for their Muslim adversaries in politics for a KO. Why dont they pray for the Zionists for a KO?

        I bet the DAP Xtians are having a good laff over this ….

      • Jitu

        Not really. If you look at the popular vote in the recent US Presidential Elections, there is no significant percentage advantage of Obama over Romney.

        The peculiarities of the US electoral system, especially with regard to the Electoral College, have been well documented elsewhere.

        Coming back to the topic of Israel, the Palestinians and Gaza, it should be noted that Israel has cordial diplomatic relations with a few Asean members.

        Israel also has diplomatic relations with the “big guns” in this region – Japan, China, India, Australia and South Korea. Note that none of these countries have come out openly to condemn the Israeli air attacks on Hamas and Gaza.

        In fact, China with it’s Uighur problems, and Russia with it’s Chechen problems, are both more worried about militant Islam than the cause of the Palestinians and Gaza.

        Isn’t it ironic that the US, the principal backer of Israel, was the go-to guy in the recent East Asian Summit for those countries worried about an expansionist and nationalistic Chinese agenda in the South China Sea?

        This only goes to show that national interests and realpolitik dictate countries’ strategies, although idealists would like to believe otherwise.

        Witness the efforts of Morsi in Egypt and Erdogan in Turkey in trying to “broker” an Israel-Hamas ceasefire. Both Morsi and Erdogan are relying on US backing for their initiative. Yet another example of realpolitik in action.

        I would also suggest that you read a recent Bloomberg commentary “Seven truths about Israel and Hamas” by Jeffrey Goldberg. It contains some disquieting statements about “lies” and “truths” in the current conflict between Israel and Hamas.

      • boateng,

        I’m not sure which or what kind of churches carrying out ‘brain-washing’ activities that you refer to and I have not read or listened in detail the sermons of the US churches to know the “usurpation and indoctrination by Jews-pretending-Christians” that you mentioned.

        The ones that I read about are the Evangelical churches that sprouted in the US in recent times preying on gullible Christians who donate money that the “founders” of such churches live on, often in comfort and luxury, and they preach in rather demagoguery fashion. I suppose these fellows would not hesitate to take up any issue to enlarge the size of their flocks, and Barrack Obama was even accused of collusion with one of them before his election campaign.

        But I agree with you that there must be those churches like the Texas-based Christian for United Israel that have sprung out over the years. Comprising those who are called conservatives or neo-conservatives, many having links with Jews through marriages. Vice President Dick Cheney was one of them – his wife is a Jew.

        I suspect many of the Evangelical churches that have sprouted in Malaysia in recent years are also run by private individuals with questionable sincerity in their religious conviction. One was run by a gay pastor who sought publicity by announcing his marriage to his New York boyfriend. What in the world has prompted him to do that other than perhaps trying to increase his congregation with gays and the like upon his return.

        The problem is that, unlike the Roman Catholic churches which are controlled by an Archbishop, these others may not be controlled by anyone. The Minister in charge of religious affairs in the Prime Ministers’ Department must get all religious authorities in the country together to sort out the problems caused by such churches as the Damansara Utama Methodist Church which invited 12 Muslims to “break fast” in a church during the fasting month and bibles were placed on the table where they were seated. If they could do those, they could say all sorts about the Palestinians and the Zionists to weaken the morale of the Muslims.

      • The Gooberman,

        So many news reports and opinion pieces I read online in such papers as the Washington Post and the New York Times talked about the vast sums of campaign funds made available to Mitt Romney by Jewish billionaires and millionaires, much more than Barrack Obama. They were poured into a vast number of TV, radio and other campaign adverts. Yet Mitt Romney lost.

        There were also very many Jews and conservatives in states that Romney did not offend by, for example, wanting the auto industry be let to die, that Obama saved like those in Detroit. Yet Romney lost. There may not be “significant percentage advantage of Obama over Romney” in the popular vote, but note that Obama exceeded 300 in the Electoral College votes whereas Romney reached only about 200. Popular votes or Electoral College votes, Romney, who was very pro-Israel in his stance, lost. And I maintain that the Blacks, Latinos, Asians and other non-whites will play a major role in the election of the US President in the future, despite the tons of money the Jews may pour on their candidate.

        But I agree with you that national interests and realpolitik dictate countries’ strategies. But American national interests have changed under Obama. The Soviets are long gone and Russia is no longer the focus as Obama now searches for a new “pivot” in Asia to check and balance the somewhat belligerent China flexing their muscle on the Philippines, even Japan, over territorial disputes. He has been in our region the last few days.

        Still, by no means he’d disregard the Middle East and sent Hillary Clinton scurrying to Israel and the West Bank (US does not recognize Hamas in Gaza) to try and get a ceasefire. But I take some comfort in that the US President is no longer like the cartoon George W Bush was, who, to me, appeared to have been instigated by the Israelis into bombing Iraq.

      • Jitu

        At least we are agreed on one thing – that nations are driven by self-interest and realpolitik.

        Which is why many countries in the Middle East and the Asia-Pacific region are not willing to confront the US head on over the issue of the Palestinians and Gaza.

        Count them – Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, the UAE, Malaysia…..

        Which leaves what? Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran? Not exactly a combination to inspire confidence, is it?

        On a lighter note, I understand that George Soros is a major supporter of Obama. Does that make the former one of “the good guys”?

        More to the point – as long as the US has Israel’s back, nothing will be resolved for the Palestinians – not until the US is brought on board to support the Palestinian cause.

        Regardless of domestic politics in the US, both the Democrats and Republicans will not compromise on the core issue of the existence and safety of the state of Israel. The emerging Latino, African American and Asian American blocs in the US are certainly not energized to support the Palestinian cause – it’s just not there in their list of priorities.

      • The Gooberman,

        Obviously many countries in the Asia-Pacific region are not willing “to confront the US head on” over the Palestinian issue. They are so far away and quite divorced from the goings on there politically and in terms of religious affinity.

        Even those in nearby Africa may not do so – there are those in the central part of Africa which consider tribes more important than nations, so busy with tribal warfare of sorts, rebellion and coup d’e tat. But when it comes to voting at the UN General Assembly, hardly any of them would abstain.

        It’s also obvious that those receiving annual financial aids from the US would find it foolhardy to confront US, the donor. Count those that do receive US aids. Both Israel and most of the Arab states do get US aids every year and are dependent on them. Even Saudi Arabia, so rich in oil, choose not to spend too much money to arm themselves, but be under the US “defence umbrella”, so, had not lifted much of a finger on the Arab-Palestinian dispute. Note that Iran is not an Arab state and they are counting on Russia’s help.

        Note also that Israel receives US$3 billion grant a year from US for so long and have become very strong despite their lack of natural resources. Egypt, too, receives enormous financial aid on an annual basis and they have nothing to show except Aswan Dam and relics of antiquity. Those dependent on US annual grants would dance to US tune upon just implied threats of withholding such grants. That’s why Hillary Clinton managed to get a ceasefire last night.

        But the smart thing Obama did was to get Egypt play a role and it was President Mursi who announced the ceasefire. Really, the big boys in the Middle East there should be telling the bullies to cease bullying. So that US can concentrate on the bigger bully in the East if and when they get to pushing and shoving others.

        I don’t know how reliable is the source of the information that made you “understand that George Soros is a major supporter of Obama”. But I do know that the stupid Donald Trump would quack and quack against Obama and I don’t know whether he has Jewish blood.

        Another point we agree on is nothing will be resolved for the Palestinians until the US is brought on board to support the Palestinian cause. But I believe times are changing. The tons of Jewish money poured on to the recent US elections did not bring them a strongly pro-Israel Mitt Romney as President.

        Israel may continue to bully the Palestinians and the Arabs. But Iran has tried to be a force in the region and Israel has tried to get US to agree that they bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. I think that will never happen during Obama’s remaining 4 years and I hope even if a pro-Israel chap becomes President after that, Russia, and even China – which also has interests in Iran – will play a role in taming Zionist Israel.

      • The Arab countries and Iran have a lot of oil. Israel has nothing except arrogance, hard headedness and US support which may be maintained, otherwise even Pakistan, with their nuclear bombs and less-than-perfect delivery systems, may want to start an adventure on nuclear-armed, anti-Islam, Zionist Israel.

        China has 1.2 billion population, greatly advanced economically, a huge need for oil and need to depend on Iran and want to have some influence on the Arab countries, as much as they do on the Latin American oil producers, competing with US.

        Yes, times are changing. US may have moved their front line from Taiwan down to Australia in terms of keeping their military forces, though their military presence need not be on land but a lot on the seas, in international waters, on aircraft carriers, in nuclear submarines etc.

        But I’m glad that Obama is searching for that “pivot” in Burma, Thailand or Cambodia and I personally don’t mind their presence in any of those countries.

  2. “the pitiful British foreign secretary William Hague holds Hamas “principally responsible” for the latest war.”

    Good that the British condemn Israel. But the Zionists don’t care two hoots about the British. It’s no longer a super power. They may be a member of the Security Council but the Zionists already got what they wanted from the British – showing them the road to then British-administered Palestine at the end of World War II, perhaps scared that the German Jews etc would be overflowing Britain.

    After declaring the existence of a state of Israel unilaterally, they concentrated on getting American recognition. True enough, when Harry Truman gave that recognition, the British and others followed suit. Then the Zionists got a second-hand US nuclear reactor secretly sent to Israel. They manufactured nuclear bombs. Got billions of dollars annual aids and the latest fighter planes etc from the Americans. Then they became arrogant, flagrant and blatant. The Arabs, especially the Palestinians, suffered for scores of years. Damn.

    The Zionists are only bothered with what the US thinks. Thank God Obama rules another 4 years. Don’t know what’ll happen after that. Israel may bomb Iran unilaterally. Hopefully Russia will stop that. Russia may want to play politics there. They want the American IBMs under the so-called “nuclear shield” in EU, Turkey(?) etc pointed elsewhere. So they’ll flex their muscles when necessary.

    Yes, what do we do about the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank? We whack the Zionists, guys. As hard and as frequent as we can. Verbally, that is. Our voice may not be as big as the members of the UN Security Council. But like hell, ours is as strong a voice as the other 180 or so members in the UN General Assembly. As strong as Japan. Or even as the 1 billion population India. We have the same strength in the one vote per country. Don’t anybody say otherwise.

    • Yes….but we don’t see Japan or India (or South Korea or Australia) verbally “whacking” Israel in the UN General Assembly or anywhere else.

      It appears that most of Asia is ambivalent about Israel and the Palestinian cause.

      It could be argued that if the 9/11 attacks hadn’t happened to the US, the whole Palestinian issue may have been resolved by now.

      Because, after 9//11, the US shifted it’s focus to fighting Islamic militants and terrorists and viewed the Middle East in this context. This allowed Israel and it’s supporters in the US to help influence the US geopolitical agenda, while co-opting most of the world to it’s point of view.

  3. Let be pratical about Jew and Isreal.I think in order for Malay and UMNO to survive,we need to do what Singapore did.Establised diplomatic retaionship with Isreal,enganged them as our advisers.We will have our country back on their radar screen.Ask Zaid Hamidi wgat did he discuss when he met E Barrak,Isreal defence minister in Paris.
    Diplomatic relationship.Egypt already have the relaionship.

    • What in the world is this fellow talking about? “We need to do what Singapore did”? Are you a Zionist Jew? Of the East maybe?

      What “in order for Malay and UMNO to survive”? You are not a Malay not to know that the Malays and UMNO can survive without doing a Singapore. You son of a gun are masquerading as a Malay. Damn you.

      You been done up your backside by Anwarul Al Juburi wanting Malaysia to establish diplomatic relations with Israel? Do you know what diplomatic relations mean? With Israel? The regime that declared their existence by their own selves?

      And what the hell do you mean “We will have our country back on their radar screen”?

      What and where in the blazes is your source of info saying “Zaid Hamidi … met E Barrak,Isreal defence minister in Paris.”


  4. I am glad that someone brought the overall thesis of ‘how’ to end the occupation/apartheid in Gaza. The Gooberman wrote the gist of it all:

    “as long as the US has Israel’s back, nothing will be resolved for the Palestinians”

    To cut it short, many analysts have written and compared Israel apartheid and SA apartheid, and they compared what kind of support each get in order to sustain the apartheid. There are many sources on this in the internet, if you are keen.

    Almost all analysts say similar things: in comparison, that Israel is very dependant on an external source i.e. for American ‘moral’ support and military aid, that if these life-line is shattered, apartheid in Israel will also wane out. So the philosophical question now: who actually support apartheid in Israel/Palestine?

    • Excuse me for not understanding the phrase “as long as the US has Israel’s back”. The mention of “back” distracts my mind to the image of Anwar Ibrahim and his very strange stand on Israel, completely in contradiction with not only Malaysia’s official policy but also the stand of his coalition partner, PAS.

      But I do agree that without US support, Israel might fizzle away or even somehow obliterated by Pakistan’s already existing nuclear bombs or Iran’s to-be-manufactured ones (Ehud Barak has for many years been concerned about Pakistan’s nuclear bombs falling into the wrong hands and Al Qaeda elements are stiil around in Pakistan).

      On CNN last night the Hamas’ leader was very adamant on the Hamas’ stand of fighting the Zionists until they can at least get back to the 1967 borders – despite Netanyahu, during his previous PMship, sending Mossad agents to shoot poison on him while in Jordan 16 years ago and King Hussein threatened to break relations with Israel if Netanyahu did not immediately send the antidote of the particular poison to save the Hamas leader’s life (a secret he revealed only last night).

      Will the US ever get away from Israel’s back? Well, time will tell. History has the habit of repeating itself, often changing situations, all over the world. China was once the foremost nation on earth, “the Middle Kingdom”, the only “civilized” nation, the others “barbarians” (though for the most part merely claimed such by the Imperial Palace “historians”), then became “pariahs” and treated so by the West for centuries until a few decades ago, and is now on the way to being a Super Power.

      Israel has been a bully since they had nuclear bombs, but Pakistan has been having them, too, and now Iran wants some, though insisting that their nuclear facilities are for energy purposes. I don’t want a nuclear holocaust but I want Israel to stop bullying the Palestinians and other Arabs.

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