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Sacked former Police Director Commercial Criminal Investigation Dept Ramli Yusuff alleged that former IGP Tan Sri Musa Hassan abused his power, when he was the Top Cop. Obviously Ramli is manipulating the opportunity to demonise Musa, at the juncture where Musa’s reputation is being perceived at its lowest ebb.

The Malaysian Insider story:

Musa too abused powers while IGP, says Ramli Yusuff

By Md Izwan
December 04, 2012

Musa had claimed that ministers and politicians interfered with police matters. — File pic

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 4 — Tan Sri Musa Hassan had abused his power while he was the Inspector-General of Police and colluded with the Attorney-General to escape from being arraigned in a 2006 criminal court case, his former colleague and rival in the force, Datuk Ramli Yusuff, has alleged.

The retired Commercial Crimes Investigation Department (CCID) director was responding to the ex-IGP’s bombshell at a new conference last week in which the latter had accused Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein as among ministers and politicians who had interfered with police matters.

“CCID once captured a criminal named Goh Cheng Poh @ Tengku Goh in December 2006. Tengku Goh made his affidavit and implicated Musa Hassan’s name.

“Then I handed it to the A-G’s office but it was never filed in court, resulting in the habeas corpus application by Tengku Goh being allowed and [he] was freed,” Ramli told The Malaysian Insider when contacted.

The retired police veteran has been a vocal critic of Musa and A-G Tan Sri Abdul Gani Patail, both whom he blames for putting him in the dock on a corruption charge in 2007, which several mainstream media had sensationalised as the case of the “RM27 million cop”.

“Instead, the A-G directed the Anti-Corruption Agency (ACA) to get confidential files regarding this case and hunted down informants to change their original testimonies,” said Ramli, who was once the nation’s third-most senior police officer.

Asked what proof he had to support his allegation, he said: “If what I say is not right, I am ready for Musa or Gani to take legal action against me. Berani kerana benar [bold as true].”

Ramli was at one time the nation’s third-most senior police officer.

Ramli also stood up for Musa’s successor, IGP Tan Sri Ismail Omar, and said the latter should be given the chance to prove his capability.

“The negative perception started during Musa Hassan’s term. Tan Sri Ismail Omar is making an effort to improve that image,” he said, referring to the endemic poor public confidence in the police force.

“To me, it is not just if Musa attacks relentlessly the IGP now.”

Ramli said that Musa’s criticism against the public institution the latter once led and the government was nothing new.

“He started becoming vocal and criticised the government when Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin announced his service would not be extended,” Ramli said, referring to the ex-IGP, and adding that it was the source of Musa’s disgruntlement.

Musa served as IGP for three years before retiring on September 13, 2010, after a corruption case that was closed in July 2007 for lack of evidence.

The nation’s former No. 1 watchman had last week described his working relationship with Hishammuddin as cordial, but the home minister did not see eye-to-eye with him on the command of the police force, saying that his refusal to indulge those who tried to interfere had likely been the reason why his tenure had not been extended.

The police force and other enforcement agencies fall under the home minister’s portfolio.

“When I found out that instructions were given to junior officers and OCPDs (Officer in Charge of Police District) without my knowledge, then something is wrong.

“So, I highlighted to him section 4(1) of the Police Act … command and control of the police force is by the IGP, not a minister.

“I talked to him nicely, he didn’t like it … that’s why (my tenure) was not extended,” Musa told a news conference last week organised by Malaysian Crime Watch Task Force (MyWatch), a crime watchdog which had claimed that it will “challenge any statistics that the Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM) comes out with”.

The organisation claimed that it has the “real” crime statistics from the police force which, it said, are “manipulated” before their release to the public.

MyWatch also claimed to have evidence of alleged links between high-ranking police officers and underworld kingpins.

It plans to release its revelations in stages, starting from next week, if the police continue to refuse working with it.

Musa also quoted section 4(1) of the Police Act, which states that police orders must only come from the IGP, who will be liable for such instructions.

He said that command and control over the police force should rest entirely on the IGP, adding that no other individual should be accorded the same right for the sake of checks and balances in the system.

Musa also took aim at his successor, Ismail, suggesting the latter was a yes-man who bowed to politicians’ influence.


Ramli is a very interesting chap. He was charged in court for corruption. Read a compilation of articles written that should give a good over all big picture about who he really is and was.

As JUSA B ranking civil servant (Commissioner of Police, his last rank as the Director of CCID), amassed so much unexplained money. It was tried to justified that his accumulation of wealth derived from punting at the stock market ‘gambling den’. However, it does not make a lot of practical sense.

There is a reason why Ramli has been waiting for so long for an opportunity to crucify a straight arrow ramrod of an incorruptible Musa Hassan.

Ramli as a ‘three star’ Policeman

On 4 Sept 2007, Ramli declared as a JUSA B officer his and his wife, Anita Harun who is a Deputy Court Registrar, a combined gross monthly income is RM 18,134.60. It is believed that on the same date, Ramli filed a declaration that listed 52 assets, which include properties, bank accounts and shares of corporations. The value declared is believed to be slightly over RM 8 million.

This include RM 308,000.oo in various fixed deposits in Public Bank, another RM 200,000.oo in various fixed deposits in Maybank, a combined savings accounts of over RM 400,000.oo, an ASB account of RM 333,000.00 and several ‘undervalued assets’.

The ‘undervalued assets’ are believed to include several golf memberships which listed Tropicana, Monterez and Sutera Harbour. Others are a house in Bandar Utama valued at RM 187,000.00, a condominium at Pantai Panorama valued at RM 195,000.00, a detached house on an upmarket land plot in Damansara Indah valued at RM 840,000.00, a Condominium  in Saujana near Subang Airport valued at RM 360,000.00 and a condominium in Pavillion Residence valued at RM 1.1 million.

All these, could easily be valued now at  least RM 16  million. That is more prudent than the “RM 27 million”.

Then again, that guesswork on the current value of assets is just academic. What is fact, all these assets were valued at acquisition cost or price. What is interesting how could someone afford all these when his last gross income as a JUSA B civil servant  and wifey’s combined only at RM 18,000.00 per month?

Ramli and Anita, arriving in court

Even if he took typical mortgages, commercial loans and borrowings to pay for all these, the repayment would be a lot more than his monthly gross income. For the academic purposes, Ramli takes RM 6.5 million commercial loan and borrowings for all these assets acquisitions, which roughly is 80% of the acquisition cost. It means that monthly repayment should be in the neighbourhood RM 70,000.00. That is four times of their gross monthly income.

People who do retail commercial loans would understand that banks usually give a maximum of 40% of the a person’s or aggregated couple’s monthly gross income. It means that Ramli and missus should have only qualified for RM 700,000.00 worth of aggregated mortgages, loans and borrowings.

Someone who is paid RM 18,000.00 in gross monthly salary, would probably have a net income of RM 12,500.00. That would hardly suffice to cover a RM 900,000.00 mortgage, for a RM 1.1 million condominium in Pavilion Residences.

To qualify for RM 6.5 million borrowings, theoretically their gross monthly earnings should be in the neighbourhood of RM 180-200,000.00. That is RM 2-2.5 million a year. Probably that would also explain the cash for them to foot for their end of the 20% of the RM 8 million declared value of aggregated assets.

The “Thirteen Million Plus Ringgit” questions are:

1. Ramli’s and wife’s combined annual income is that amount?

2. How much income do the both of them have been declaring in their annual tax returns all these years?

3. Where are all these extra monies and income deriving from?

4. Since when are all are these extra monies and income derived?

It is time for the Inland Revenue Board audit the both of them. The Income Tax Act provides the DG of Inland Revenue to review all Ramli’s and wife’s accounts for the past 12 years. If its true that the both of them all the while had income channels that qualified them to amass all those said assets, then His Majesty’s Taxman should have a cut from this income.

This is as per provided under the Malaysian Income Tax Act (ITA). Like the maxim goes, “Only two certainties in life; death and taxes”.

IGP Tan Sri Musa Hassan

IGP Tan Sri Musa Hassan

Let us play fair. Tan Sri Musa Hassan should be audited too. Then we shall know who is more likely could be proven living within their own means or otherwise, as civil servants of JUSA or Staff Officer equivalent. After all, Musa as a “Four Star’ Police Officer is just one or two grade above Ramli.

This would then be a picture substantiated with facts. Unlike Ramli’s letter as Director of CCID to then PM ‘Flip-Flop’ Abdullah about Tan Sri Tajudin Ramli who recklessly or with ill intent accumulated  RM 8 billion in losses for the national carrier when the latter was the Malaysia Airlines Chairman. Fact is that, Malaysia Airlines lost money because of the 97-98 Asian Financial Crisis and  most of it, due to forex exchange.

This is not withstanding that Ramli should also be investigated under the Anti Money Laundering Act (AMLA). As civil servants, Ramli and Anita could not have amassed and aggregated cash to the amount of RM 1.5 million in cash or other liquid derivatives in their 15 years of marriage. ‘Unexplained large amount of cash’ already warrants Ramli and Anita be investigated under AMLA.

Ramli was charged with abusing of power. He was never charged for corruption, ‘unexplained monies’ under AMLA or evasion of tax under ITA. It would not be far fetched to think that Ramli had had his hands involved in many ‘hanky panky’ deals. These are far more serious compared using a Police air unit aircraft to look at one’s land.

It is time to do the necessary detailed investigations, to the limit of the law.

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  2. In another profession on the side, Rameli Yusof is a top stock market trader, surpassing institutions like PNB and EPF.

    He never lost money. See it here on The Unspinners bro.

  3. Biggie,

    (Sorry. I accidentally posted this comment elsewhere. Its supposed to be for this piece)

    Obviously, there are clear evidence of Ramli Yusof amassed too much nuts for a squirel. He was investigated & eventually charged for ‘using the wheelbarrow’. Not against accumulated ‘unexplanable’ huge amount of nuts.

    Was there ‘an interfrerence’?

    Suspiciously, it looks like there is something ‘non kosher’. Then after it got blatantly out of hand, Ramli got the ‘interference’, so that his charge was defective.

    Now as a temporary ‘freeman’, he is out to demonise the real Elliot Ness.

    That is typical Opposition, particularly PKR’s and DAP’s tactics; Offense is the best Defense! Demonise really straight arrow Policeman like Musa Hassan, to cover one’s own ‘non kosher’ tracks.

    We hv been fooled by Ramli once. If the Govt fail to go after Ramli with all of these accumulated assets, then its shame on us.

    My father is a retired civil servant. He was one grade below Ramli Yusof, when he retired from service. He couldnt afford to buy many properties, even though it was far cheaper then when he was still a JUSA officer. No civil servants are able to afford the aggregated assets as you listed, even at that acquisition price.

    Obvious some hanky-panky is around, when Ramli was still in service.

  4. Ramli ada hubung kait dengan kongsi gelap ke apa? Tahniah la PAS setelah parasit, kongsi gelap juga turut serta.

  5. What’s more worrying is that it had taken too long before the Police force realized that one of their own commit such deed.

    The real problem lies beyond the quarrel between two former top-cop. It’s the reputation of the Police force (and by extension, the authority) which is at stake here.

  6. Correct…correct…correct…before it’s too late..

  7. I’m sure he can pay under table to get away with the seksa kubur.

  8. I really would like the govt to retire ALL its servants on reaching mandatory retirement age. No extension whatsoever, no matter how good they are. A few got too many extensions as though those downstairs are not good enough. Conflicts, back stabbing and spilling the beans occur can when one does not get any extension. Give others a chance. But than we have politicians who have been around longer than the mountains.

  9. Ramli was a director of commercial crime dept.

    He was charged in a criminal court for abusing his powers. Just like Al Juburi. High Court convicted him. However, unlike Al Juburi Court of Appeal overturned Ramli’s case. Al JUburi was jailed for six years for his crimes.

    He is also commercially-savvy but more importantly, commercially-hungry. He managed to earn & accumulate wealth way beyond his official means. The Unspinners wrote about how he never loss money punting at the shares market pit.

    Ramli also actively went into business in a co where he injected 950acres of land, when he was still the CCID boss.

    What was strategic as the CCID boss, he had access to the Lords of the Underworld Vices. Means as a commercially savvy and more importantly hungry man-of-authority, he could optimise this network.

    “I scratch your back, you scratch my back”.

    Hence, the wealth. Be it RM 8 million, 16 million or 27 million.

    Also, it means Musa Hassan who is a known no sense man must be ‘eliminated’, at all cost. Roll out the demonisation.

    Expect more. Expect to see Opposition esp DAP and PKR to make Musa the power-crazy & corrupt devil! Musa is a common enemy of Ramli, Lords of the Underworld Vices and Anwar Al Juburi.

  10. Pasir Mas.
    You memang golongon Melayu dunggu yang tahu cari salah orang lain dan marah jika oramg lain lebeh banyak wang dari you.

    Dalam tahun 90 han,Bursar Saham Kuala Lumpur paling aktive,malah turnover nya lebeh besarbdari Hong Kong dan Singapore.Semua orang terlibat dalam permainan saham.Dari guru sekolah,sampai ka Pegawai police,pegawai Angkatan Tentera, Pegawai tinggi kerajaan termasok KSU .Saya berani bekata benar kerana kebanyakan mereka memunyai akoun dengan stock broker yang saya mileki.

    Tidak terkechuali dengan Dato Ramly.Dia amat baik dengan Teh Soon Seng(Aokam Perdana) Low thiem Hock (RIpco)John soh(Promet) dan ramai lagi yangbtak payah saya sebut.

    Jika saorang che gu dan rakannya yang menjadi pelanggan saya boleh membuat capital gain dalam satu bulan dengan membeli saham Idris dengan harga 60 sen dan menjual dengan harga $8. Rgt dalam masa tiga bulan.Saya tidak hairan kenapa Dato Ramli dan lain lain rakan nya yang aktive membeli saham idak boleh membuat untong lebeh dari $ 10 juta rgt.

    Untok pengetahuan Big Dog dan rakan pembahas sekelian,keuntongan capital gain dari jualan saham tidak di kenakan cukai.Asalkan kita dapat tunjok buktinya Pegawai Cukai Pendapatan. Tak dapat buat apa2.
    Saya tahu Dato Ramli sedarbakan tanggong jawabnya dan ia membuat declaraion yangnbetul.

    Jadi jangan lah kita marah jika kawan kawan kita jadi kaya dai kita.

    Malangnya ramai orang Melayu terpedaya dengan pelaboran Eman Govenna.Kesian kapada mereka.
    Kapada Khairy dan Pemuda UMNO tak payah hendak membela mereka.Ini Pyramid scheme macam Pak Man Telo.Bezanya mereka guna Emas sabagai barang belian.

    Semua Pengarah syarinat Gavenna patu di tangkap dan di jel saumor hidupbsaperti ang di buat oleh Lee Kuan Yew kapada Pengaran Gemini chip.

    • Tunjuk bukti awak broker saham,pegang ekaun Ramli dsbnya.. Tunjuk bukti. Nama pun tak kasi nama penuh, amacam boleh caya apa awak cakap.

      Cakap saja macam tu, siapa pun boleh.

    • 30 years ago, Ramli’s salary was only a few hundred Ringgit. His salary only breach five figure line a few years back.

      1. Impossible for a salaried man, especially a civil servant, to accumulate seed capital enough to reach a stage where the acquisition cost is declared at ‘RM 8 million’. Remember, mainstream media reported Ramli’s assets at RM 27 million.
      2. No one gamble at stock market and win all the time. No one is that lucky. Even ppl who can practically influence the market like Tun Daim Zainuddin
      3. Some of the assets listed by BigDog is very recent; like Pavilion Residences condo. Pls tell another case where a serving civil servant that could afford to buy a RM 1.1m condo, even using a bank loan

      He is either corrupt or a front for another pirate. Could probably also on behalf of some Lords of the Underworld.

    • Aatif,

      You are incredibly nonsesical!

      All the names you mentioned are either crooks or undesirable persons. The police director of commercial crimes shouldnt be consorting with persons like these.

      I agree with Pirate.

      To have a considerable capital gains, the seed capital must be substantial. If Ramli Yusof hv assets valued at RM 8m in 2007, what was the aggregated amount of the seed capital? RM 100k? RM 200k? RM 500k?

      Did he declare the income derived that enabled him to hv access cash for such a handsome figure for a civil servant to punt & gamble, like in the stock market or financial derivative market?

      How long did it took him to punt so that by 2007, Ramli Yusof already amassed RM 8m?

      10 years? 15 years?

      Would Ramli Yusof as a civil servant hv had RM 400k of spare cash in 1992, that he could punt strategic enough for him to amass enough muscle to accumulate RM 8m in 2007? What was his grade & pay back in 1992?

      A retired Commissioner of Police (same grade as Ramli Yusof) last pay in 1991 was a little over RM 4,300 per month. How long would anyone spare lets say RM 1000 per month, to hv enough seed capital, lets say RM 400,000. Pls do the math, if you hv any shred of intelligence or at least, logic.

      • Thank you.

        Someone would need to have consistent growth of 10%, every month, for 15 years for his initial seed capital of RM 100,000 in 1992 to be valued at RM 8 million in 2007.

        However, which stock market grew a consistent 10% every month and not suffered any set back or glitch?

        Certainly not Malaysian aka KLSE. There was a “correction” in 1993-94. And in the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997, it dropped almost 1,000 points to a low of 292 points.

        Ramli Yusuff’s initial RM 100,000 could have gone a maximum of RM 1 million but lost 75-80% of its value in 1997/8 crisis.

        Even there is steady stream increase of 10% growth of KLSE (later Bursa Malaysia) which it did not, then probably it could derive to RM 3.5-4 million in 2007. Then again, history has proven that this is just academic. No initial RM 100,000 or even RM 400,000 seed capital, could grow up to RM 8 million in 12-15 years.

        Then again, what was Ramli Yusuff’s rank, grade and pay back in 1992, for him to aggregate RM 100,000 in seed capital?

        As far as what we know, in 1992 he was a Superintendent of Police and his monthly pay was RM 3,168.00. Even that, JPA did a civil service pay revision in March 1992.

        Pirate of Pasir Mas and QED is both right. Do the math. How could someone whose gross monthly pay was just RM 3,000 aggregated RM 100,000 for a seed capital to punt at the stock market?

  11. Bro please add 2 units of condo in Mas Kiara,TTDI. Ask why 87 melayu house owners lost their condo in Mas Kiara recently.These 87 are still today paying their bank loans for condos they now don’t owe!

    • Aiyya brader, terlanjor komen tu, apa salahnya kasi tahu apa yang anda tahu. Main teka teki pulak buat apa.

  12. Ramli should and must be further investigated.He criticised Musa as if he is soo innocent!

  13. Biggie, you must have some legit info to come out with this.

    What I actually wonder is – are there other properties and monies being hold on behalf by others?

    Tip of the iceberg?

    • Thank you.

      All these laid here are extracts from a declaration that Ramli Yusuff signed as Director of CCID on 4 Sept 2007 for a complete list of 52 assets in properties, accounts and investments held by him in his name.

      The same list was also appended on a statutory declaration signed by Ramli Yusuff dated 17 Sept 2007.

      We are just reporting what is fact. Who are the real owners and how these assets were accumulated and amassed, should be divulged once thorough investigations be carried out by IRB under Income Tax Act, Bank Negara/Royal Customs under AMLA and MACC under Anti Corruption Act.

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