Seditious Singh

MCCBCHST President Jagir Singh

The consultative council for Non Muslims should learn the spirit and how the ‘Social Contract’ was formed before attempting to challenge the position of Islam as the religion of the Federation and role of HRH Rulers as constitutional heads of Islam, as per enshrined in the States and Federal Constitution. Otherwise, they could risk being charged for sedition.

The pro-anti majority Riong Kali news portal story:

Malaysia’s largest interfaith group warns it’ll take lawsuits to United Nations if need be

AUGUST 11, 2013

In another sign of declining faith in the system, the new president of the largest council of non-Muslim religious groups in Malaysia has promised to take legal challenges all the way to the United Nations if they cannot be resolved here.

Lawyer Jagir Singh said the Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism will chart a roadmap to refer religious rights issues to the UN.

He also suggested there should be more non-Malays among judges, saying a mixed-race judiciary will get rid of the perception of racial bias in court.

He was speaking to a dinner gathering of 1,000 last night to mark the 30th anniversary of the interfaith group.

A rising number of issues causing concern to non-Muslim religious groups are ending up in court, as in the case of the legal challenge to use the word Allah for non-Islam gods.

Or they are an issue based in law, for example, the recent government push for a Bill to allow the religious conversion of a minor by consent of just one parent, even if the other parents disagrees.

The attempt was abandoned by the government when its own coalition partners and some Cabinet ministers objected to the Bill.

Jagir, a practising lawyer, has often taken a leading role in speaking for the inter-faith group on such issues even before he became president last month.

Last night he told the group: “We will continue to pursue the Allah issue and conversion of minors through legal means, and if necessary will appeal to the United Nations, namely on elimination of discrimination of women through the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, known as CEDAW.”

He added that the group will also work at protecting rights and to find solutions to issues such as building of places of worship and burial grounds.

Guest-of-honour Tan Sri Joseph Kurup, Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department, who delivered his speech after Jagir, said the government has “taken a zero-tolerance approach and sometimes contentious position on religious bigotry”.

He added: “We can’t allow issues that might just be a storm in a teacup to take a turn for the worse, abruptly turning it into a perfect storm, destroying what took us years and years to build.” – August 11, 2013.

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Attempting to bring to the United Nations  in  law suits pertaining to issues where the laws exist right from the birth of this nation enshrined in the States’ and Federal Constitution should be deemed as anti-constitution, if not any against the will of the majority for some odd individuals.

Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, 21 January 1948

Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, 21 January 1948

The Federal Constitution did not exist from void. It was derived from the Federation of Malaya Treaty inked between HRH Rulers and the British High Commissioner Sir Edward Gent on 21 January 1948, to supercede the Malayan Union.

Then, HRH Rulers had absolute right on matters pertaining to Islam and Muslim family laws.

New MCCBCHST President Jagir Singh must be reminded not only the Non Malays then have limited rights. Majority of them were not even “Subjects of HRH Rulers” and deemed ‘stateless persons’.

When Federation of Malaya was formed, then UMNO President Tunku Abdul Rahman representing the Malays who were 86% of the rakyat or “Subjects of HRH Rulers” met and convinced HRH Rulers to accept nearly 1 million Non Malays as citizens. Based on the Federation of Malaya Treaty, majority of them should not even qualify to even be considered as ‘citizens’ because mostly likely they did not meet the criteria.

Article 3.1 & 3.2 of the Federal Constitution

Article 3.1 & 3.2 of the Federal Constitution

However, HRH Rulers were convinced to accept the ‘Social Contract’ and waive their rights to govern in favour of Westminster-styled Constitutional Monarchy system provided the that Special Rights of the Malays, the position of Islam, their roles as Heads of Islam, Malay as the national language are being enshrined in the new nation’s constitution.

Jagir also raised in his speech about ‘Kalimah Allah’. The fact is that the matter already had a precedence where a HRH Ruler already issued a decree that “The word is exclusively for the Muslims and Non Muslims are prohibited to use the word in place of ‘God'”. Furthermore the case is now being appealed.

A Malay bible

Raising this in this tone should be perceived with an ill intent to continue provoking the Malays on an issue which is very sensitive. More over, the wrath of the Malays is demonstrated very clearly when a month ago Apostolic Nuncio Archbishop Joseph Marino made a political statement to support the Christian Federation of Malaysia’s quest to use ‘kalimah Allah’ in their scriptures and literatures.

The Malays view the provocation to use ‘kalimah Kalimah’ in Christian scriptures and literatures in Malaysia is about the attempt to protelysation of more Malays into Christianity.

All of the points he raised are very isolated cases. So for MCCBCHST to bring very rare cases to the international attention, more over as lawsuits to the United Nations should be seen as trying to smear the good name of the nation and portray as if the Malay-Muslims are oppressing the minority Non Muslims.

The Malays protesting the Christians' usage of 'kalimah Allah' and supporting HRH Sultan Selangor's decree

The Malays protesting the Christians’ usage of ‘kalimah Allah’ and supporting HRH Sultan Selangor’s decree

This should also be regarded as another provocation against the Malays. This should also be deemed as compounding on the sensitive issues already starting to divide the nation, if not as a catalyst for hatred and ill feelings between the races and religious faiths.

This call should be seen as an attempt to challenge if not an insult to the Federal Consititution, State Constitutions and HRH Rulers. Jagir should be hauled and investigated under the Sedition Act.

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  2. The group wants to bring the matter to which organ of the UN? The General Assembly or the relevant specialised agency? Which one? Or perhaps to the UN Secretary General? Well…it is very likely that the UN will find Malaysia to be the most tolerant country that gives freedom and rights to non Muslims to practise their religion without fear of persecution. This group probably doesnt grasp the meaning of freedom and rights as embodied in the UN Charter. The attempts to use the kalimah Allah by certain non Muslim groups is more an act of provocation towards the Muslims in this country. So this group will probably find itself being seen as the provacateurs and the Muslims the victims of this provocation.

  3. CEDAW will still have to evaluate the merit of the complaint. What form of religious persecution is the group talking about? What we see is the issues of minor conversion and the insistance of certain non Muslim groups to use kalimah Allah. Are these religious persecution?

    • Certainly not. But these are examples of depa dah naik kepala, la ni melanda landa. All because of lax attitude towards seditious comments since Tun Dol’s time, perpetrated further during Najib’s time. Najib now wants to throw away the tools for curbing such seditious activities. Najib should be replaced.

  4. That’s why there’s a need to get back to Tun Dol and Najib bashing.

    Tun Dol started allowing space for blokes to criticize in a seditious manner and Najib threw away the important laws to effectively curb the blokes. ISA and soon, the Sedition Act.

    The Sedition Act protects the sensitive clauses of the Constitution including those pertaining to Ketuanan Melayu, the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak. Removing them can be interpreted as Najib is allowing the questioning of those by blokes like DAP members and regular supporters, as well as the tsunami Chinese.

    Tun Dol is gone but Najib is around. The 150,000 UMNO members with votes at the coming party elections should get Najib replaced.

  5. Provocation again and again… when are going to stop ? When are they going to respect the nature of Islam and Melayu Bumiputera ?

    So far, there’s none from PM Najib.

    Bertambah nyata firman Allah SWT beri peringatan kepada kita. Kafirun itu nyata tidak akan menerima Islam. Mereka musuh yang nyata. Sehingga kita mengikut fahaman dan anutan mereka…..

    Bila lagi kita hendak tunduk kepada Yang Esa. Mengikut perintah nya,memerangi(memantau) tindak tanduk kafirun. Sesungguh nya, ini lah masa yang sesuai….

    • Not only provocation on account of Islamic religious issues by the likes of the Singh bloke.

      Even Astro/ Discovery Channel has for 3 days now aired an advert showing foreign blokes laughingly wishing Selamat Hari Merdeka when they – Astro at least – know that this is Hari Raya.

      Astro trying to irritate the Muslims in this country? Another Alvivi of a different kind?

    • Another Alvivi ruthlessness had happened –

      A picture of a roasted pig’s head surrounded by lemang and ketupat with a caption inviting Muslims to enjoy the dish emerged earlier this week, allegedly from the Facebook of DAP aide Alan Tang, the assistant to DAP Stulang assemblyman Andrew Chen Kah Eng.

      He claimed “sabotag .. politically motivated and was meant to tarnish the image of the party and me.”

      Whether or not it was, it shows the need to preserve the Sedition Act. I agree Najib should be replaced before he replaces the Sedition Act.

  6. Najib does not seem to care one bit about being bashed for his bending backwards for the Chinese and putting the NEP on the back burner. Even after the Chinese Tsunami. He has not bothered about really looking after the interest of the Malays. He has not announced any major rewards for the Malays who gave him 88 seats at PRU13.

    After PRU13 he continued to re affirm his intention of repealing the Sedition Act. Even if there will be a replacement, it will not be as effective as the original. Remember that ISA allowed detention without trial indefinitely. But its replacement, SOSMA, allows that only for 28 days. Now so much flagrant attempts at weakening the Malays and touching the position of Islam as the religion of the country. Yet Najib is bent in doing away that very important tool in controlling seditious words and acts.

    The man appears confident of continuing to be PM after the UMNO party elections. Maybe money politics and influence pedaling/ silent vote canvassing is his tool. The UMNO Youth Chief Khairy was found guilty of money politics, recently Najib appointed him a Minister presumably to gain the support of UMNO Youth members, and the young man may continue to engage in such a practice in getting party votes. The fate of the Malays and Islam will suffer some more. Betrayed by our own kind.

    Oh God, please help us the Malays in our own country. Help make the majority of the 150,000 UMNO voters replace Najib. Find a replacement who is strongly Malay in character and spirit. Someone who will protect and promote the rights and interests of the Malays and Islam in this country. Someone who will pursue the aims, hopes and aspirations of UMNO since it was formed some 60 years ago.

    • Setiausaha Veteran Umno Malaysia Datuk Mustapha Yaakub berkata meskipun Umno memenangi lebih banyak kerusi di PRU13, “anggotanya tidak harus bersikap ‘syok sendiri’”.

      Mengenai PAU yang akan berlangsung 2-7 Disember ini, Mustapha berkata, “‘suara-suara keramat’ yang pernah menitiskan air mata anggota Majlis Tertinggi sudah lama hilang sebaliknya diganti oleh suara sumbang yang penuh dengan ‘pujian dan ampu bodek’”.

      Harap ramai yang akan timbulkan nasib Melayu merosot, Ketuanan dan Kedudukan Istimewa Melayu di ungkit sejak pemerintahan Tun Dol.

    • Umno members should steer clear of money politics during its internal elections this October, Datuk Seri Najib told Utusan today.

      But he also said, “.. this does not mean that money politics does not exist at all; maybe there are people who will use money politics with the hope of influencing delegates.” He should not have said this if he was serious in stopping money politics.

    • Yes and Najib truly bend over backwards to please the Chinese. That is why he is truly fucked up……time for a stronger and able nationalistic Malay leader to take charge.

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    • I suspect this incorrigibly wild-accusation bloke “malaysian”s comment will be removed like done in the past. But I better reply quickly while it is still here.

      Here are examples of the wild, unsubstantiated and unjustified words and phrases this bastak uses:

      “stupid big dog spin”,
      “trying to be the defender of Islam on earth”
      “This Singh is only asking the non Muslim right not to be discriminated”
      “when the non Muslim decide to use Islam as a tool in their domestic problem”
      “These last minute Muslim”
      “are the one actually abusing the religion Islam”
      “and only Melayu UMNO bodoh still want to defend these last minute Muslim”
      “who are bringing trouble to Islam.”

      Gosh, his entire comment is wild, unsubstantiated and unjustified, isn’t it? Shit fellow.

      • What on earth does the idiot mean by “last minute Muslim”? Yet he is a non-Muslim who has been making similar seditious comments here and there.

        What kind of discrimination is the idiot talking about? Of course, he does not even give examples, and hopes to get away with such dastardly comments.

        “not to be discriminated when the non Muslim decide to use Islam as a tool in their domestic problem”? Non-Muslim deciding to use Islam as a tool in their domestic problem? This is utterly seditious, isn’t it?

        Yes, Najib should be replaced before he replaces the Sedition Act.

  8. What this singh is doing is good. The malays, when challenged will retreat to a corner and start to think.

    Also, this singh is exposing jibby’s weakness. Which is also good as the malays may see how weak jibby is. No balls.

    May i add, that i disagree that the stateless ancestors of this singh was given citizenship f.o.c?

    Can i bring that issue up with u.n and try to kick his sorry ass out of tanah melayu? We should stop calling this place malaysia but instead refer it as tanah melayu.

    That is the real name of this piece of land.

  9. This, the CFM demand, Alvivi Ramadan wish, Namewee, Lina Joy, DUMC, Red Rock Hotel vow, glorification of Chin Peng and God knows what else did not exist before Sleeper Dozer was supposedly the prime minister.

    Everything that the nation stood for and by as Tanah Melayu where Non Malays live in harmony, understanding and togetherness and Non Muslim are allowed to practice their faith (as long as it didnt encroach into Islam jurisdiction) died during that dark years under his reign.

    Now, the Malays had to clammer on what they stood for and by as the acceptable religious doctrines, principles, norms and values in the defensive mode.

    Worse still, by doing this they hv been painted as ‘oppressing the minority’ and ‘denying their universal rights’.

    The rights of the Malays, HRH Rulers and position of Islam as religion of the Federation casted in stone in the constitution, now have to be compromised.

    What does the minority expect the majority Malays to feel and do, at this juncture?

    Stand aside, make way and become push-overs?

    Maybe Sleeper Dozer and his men are that sort of people. However, the majority of the Malays aren’t!

    The majority of the Malays still very much care for the faith, heritage and conservatism. That’s why UMNO won 88 seats in 13GE. It’s not becoz of Najib, mind you.

    Make no mistake about that and what the Malays are willing to do and their resolve to defend their faith, values and traditions.

    • Agree with you fully.

      Will get to writing more if possible later on.

      I’ve also been getting sick of the state of affairs the country has been in since Tun Dol’s time until now.

  10. What I want to know is who is this Jagir Singh. What background has he. What school he went to. What kind of education did he have. What university he attended. What kind of people he mixes with before that MCCBCHST. What are his political inclinations.

    What influenced his thinking to the extent of now telling the group, “We will continue to pursue the Allah issue … if necessary will appeal to the United Nations”. Yet he is a lawyer. Who knows that the case is before the Appeal Court. Not only is it a possible contempt of court but also seditious.

    Googling him doesn’t produce the desired info – he is not even included in the linkedin (whatever the standing of that outfit) list of “25 professionals named Jagir Singh”! Is he another Ambiga kind of lawyer? Knowing that demonstrating without a permit was against the law yet doing it?

    Damn it, things are so bad in the country since Tun Dol. How come these were allowed? And continue to be allowed? What do we do under the circumstances?

    I’d like to ask more questions as I go along. Anyone can contribute by giving answers or just continue stating views. I’ll say it again: it’s a sickening state of affairs in the country now.

  11. Obviously this group of people led by Jagbir Singh do not bother much about Article 3 of the Constitution stating Islam is “the religion of the Federation” but other religions “may be practised in peace and harmony”. Are they now practising their religion in peace and harmony?

    How do they hope to have peace and harmony when an issue that is before the Appeal Court is also raised in public endlessly, threatening to bring to the United Nations even?

    Yet the official website of MCCBCHST, HaromonyMalaysia, says it is since 1983 “dedicated to the promotion of goodwill, harmony and unity amongst all Malaysians irrespective of creed, religion, race, culture or gender. Round-table dialogue is its principal and preferred means to resolve potential conflicts arising from differences in a plural society.”

    But why the hell do they adopt an antagonistic stand now when the case is still at the Appeal Court? Are they out of the “Round-table dialogue is its principal and preferred means to resolve potential conflicts” now? Are they bent on being confrontational? What do they hope to achieve by doing so?

  12. Benggali ni buta atau banggang?

    Hakim hakim ialah wakil Raja Raja Melayu dalam mahkamah. Dan lantikan hakim hakim ialah bawah perkenan Majlis Raja Raja.

    Semestinya Raja Raja Melayu pilih majoriti dikalangan org Melayu yg layak utk dilantik sebagai Hakim.

    Sama macam Tentera dan Gabenor Bank Negara.

    Sekarang ni nak tunjuk samseng nak bawak pulak kes kes ‘kalimah Allah’ nak saman bawak

    • Sorri. Tertekan butang enter.

      Sambungan:

      Sekarang ni nak tunjuk samseng nak bawak pulak kes kes saman ‘kalimah Allah’ ke PBB.

      Sama cam Keling Hindraf dulu yg nak saman Ratu Elizabeth & kerajaan British.

      Benggali ni sama Keling Karam gak!

      Sama cam Keling Karam sorang tu, Ambiga. Tuduh 2,200 org mati dalam tahanan polis, tanpa tunjuk senarai nama pun!

      Lom mintak bukti lagi.

      Tapi jangan lak Najib pergi lantik Jagir Singh ni jadi senator & lepas tu Timb Menteri.

      Tu lagi BANGGANG NAMANYA!

  13. Now the Khalistans Punjabis are joining forces with the Hakkas Chinese terrorising the heart and the minds of the defenceless Malays muslims…

    • Not defenceless … only not using their defences yet.

  14. Obviously this chap do not understand how the UN works. Bet he never heard about the principle of supremacy of state in international relation.

    Deyy Thamby, this is a quick revision on UN Charter for you:

    ARTICLE 1
    The Purposes of the United Nations are:

    1.To maintain INTERNATIONAL peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
    2.To develop friendly relations AMONG NATIONS based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
    3.To achieve INTERNATIONAL co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and
    4.To be a centre for harmonizing the ACTIONS OF NATIONS in the attainment of these common ends.

    ARTICLE 2

    The Organization and its MEMBERS, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

    1.The Organization is based on the principle of the SOVEREIGN equality of all its MEMBERS.
    2.All MEMBERS, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.
    3.All MEMBERS shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.
    4.All MEMBERS shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
    5.All MEMBERS shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.
    6.The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.
    7. NOTHING CONTAINED IN THE PRESENT CHARTER SHALL AUTHORIZE THE UN TO INTERVENE IN MATTERS WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY WITHIN THE DOMESTIC JURISDICTION OF ANY STATE OR SHALL REQUIRE THE MEMBERS TO SUBMIT TO SUCH MATTERS TO SETTLEMENT UNDER THE PRESENT CHARTER; BUT THIS PRINCIPLE SHALL NOT PREJUDICE THE APPLICATION OF ENFORCEMENT MEASURES UNDER CHAPTER VII.

    CHAPTER VII:

    Is all about Action with respect to threats to peace, breaches of the peace and acts of aggression (No need to explain lah, here we are talking about tension/conflict/war among states and the power of Security Council)

    As far as the highest law of this land concern, read Constitution of Malaysia :

    PART I – THE STATES, RELIGION AND LAW OF THE
    FEDERATION

    Article number: 4
    4.
    l (1) This Constitution is the supreme law of the Federation and any law passed after Merdeka Day which is inconsistent with this Constitution shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be void.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………….

    UN is about relationship and issues among states. There is no provision in UN Charter to interfere with domestic issues or law, let alone to attend to some idiot in some sleepy hollows somewhere who crave for cheap publicity.

    So where the F**k does this MCCBCHST or MCPBullSHT guy or whatever stand? Nak kelentong benggali jaga lumbu boleh la.

    Kata lawyer tapi bodoh berdengung macam Mat Sabu. Well I guess every creed has one….

    p/s mintak maaf admin, terpaksa panjang berjela…

    • To me, no problem panjang berjela .. and I like that statement “bodoh berdengung macam Mat Sabu.”

      Jangan Mat Sabu kata Bengali tu hero saje dah le.

  15. Pepatah Melayu ada menyebut, “Masuk ke kandang kerbau menguak, masuk kekandang kambing mengembik”
    “Dimana bumi dipijak disitu langit dijunjung”.
    Jelas mereka ini adalah pendatang, yang tidak tahu adat dan susila kita.
    Kalau tidak suka dengan peraturan dan undang-undang yang ada pergilah ke mana yang mereka suka. Jangan menyemak disini.

  16. Dah hilang undi Cina, lepas ni UMNO akan hilang undi India dan Bumiputra Kristian Sarawak/Sabah pula,

    Baguslah bodoh sombong golongan2 UMNO ni…
    Di kalangan Melayu pun, UMNO selalu gertak orang PAS, orang Syiah dan mereka yang tak sewaktu dengannya.

    Jadi, yang tinggal cuma beberapa kerat penyokong2 tegar dan blogger2 UMNO saja.
    Fikir-fikirlah!

    ~ Anak Johor Jati

    • Dah fikir. Keputusannya – kamu mengarut.

      Kamu orang PAS, dapat jumlah kerusi yang paling sikit antara parti komponen PR, jangan nak marah Melayu pulak. Mcm tu, mcm mana Melayu nak undi korang di PRU14 pulak.

  17. The only recourse to halt this madness is for all Malay Muslims to be united. Without this “BERSATU TEGUH” mindset, the nons will implement every planned measure to rule blessed Malaysia.

    They perceive the gracious, generous and tolerant characteristics as weaknesses. The contented non-greedy attitude is mistaken for laziness.

    And they derive strength to takeover Putrajaya based on their economic monopolistic wealth – which is why the ‘Buy cina last’ campaign MUST gain momentum and continuation.

    In tandem to this initiative, there must be a serious process of eliminating the middlemen, as well as a creation of a network of Malay Muslim entrepreneurs for a reclaim and a grab of a bigger and proportionate slice of the economic pie.

  18. […] proof that the Christians need not to use ‘kalimah Allah’ in their literature in Malay. Other Non Muslims should also not ‘Pelt around peebles because they live in a glass […]

  19. […] odd-ball like Murphy Pakiam to tell off Prime Minister Dato’ Seri Mohd. Najib Tun Razak or Non Muslim Consultative Council make seditious statements, via the Riong Kali dot […]


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