MH370: A fresh lesson about relationship with China

Malaysia Air;ines B777-200ER tail no. 9M-MRO designated MH370 gone missing on 8 March 2014 with 239 souls onboard

Malaysia Air;ines B777-200ER tail no. 9M-MRO designated MH370 gone missing on 8 March 2014 with 239 souls onboard

The experience of the missing Malaysia Airlines B777-200ER with tail no. 9M-MRO designated MH370 that disappeared from radar screen on 8 March 2014 on scheduled flight from KUL to PEK opened a fresh perspective for Malaysia to seriously review its formal, informal and commercial relationship and status with China.

Regardless how information and hospitality that have been offered formally and informally to the Chinese, be it by official briefings and statements issued by the Prime Minister, Acting Minister of Transport, Minister of Foreign Affairs, GCEO of Malaysia Airlines or any of the government and military agencies involved, it is never enough.

BBC story:

30 March 2014 Last updated at 15:09

Malaysia flight MH370: Chinese families vent anger

 

The BBC’s Jennifer Pak: “Family members have come here for answers”
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MH370 mystery

10 questions
Black-box answers
What we know
Mourning the missing
Relatives of Chinese passengers from the missing Malaysian plane have vented their anger at government officials, after arriving in Kuala Lumpur.

Chanting “Tell us the truth”, they said they wanted the Malaysian prime minister to apologise for what they regard as misleading statements.

Eight ships and nine planes searched around 252,000 sq km (97,000 sq miles) of ocean for debris on Sunday.

The Beijing-bound plane disappeared on 8 March with 239 people on board.

International investigators have concluded that, based on satellite data, the missing Boeing 777 crashed somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean.

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At the scene
Lucy Williamson
BBC News, Kuala Lumpur
The new arrivals are being carefully guarded. Blue-shirted volunteers chaperone them to and from meetings. There are security guards dotted around their hotel, and at the airport this morning a welcoming party, including a local politician, was left standing as the families were whisked away from a hidden exit.

But the message these families have brought won’t be so easy to manage. At a brief press conference, they unfurled a banner which accused the Malaysian government of speculation and “trampling on innocent lives”.

Many relatives accuse the Malaysian authorities of misinformation and secrecy. With no sign of flight MH370 or its passengers, their worn faces have become the most visible symbols of this mystery. And their frustration won’t be easy for the government to deal with.

The search zone shifted on Friday after further analysis. But while aircraft continue to spot debris in the water, nothing recovered by ships has so far been verified as being from the plane.

The search sites

The search sites

Some relatives of the 153 Chinese passengers on board Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have refused to accept the Malaysian account of events and blame the authorities.

On Sunday, several dozen family members travelled from Beijing.

After landing in Kuala Lumpur they held a news conference at a hotel holding up banners that read “We want evidence, truth, dignity” in Chinese, and “Hand us the murderer. Give us our relatives,” in English.

Their designated representative, Jiang Hui, said they wanted the Malaysian government to apologise for the initial handling of the disaster, as well as for Prime Minister Najib Razak’s earlier statement that indicated the plane had crashed with no survivors.

He said the conclusion had been announced “without direct evidence or a sense of responsibility”.

He said the group wanted to meet airline and government officials face to face – although he stopped short of saying that these included Mr Najib, as some relatives had earlier suggested.
None of the objects retrieved by Haixun 01 or HMAS Success is thought to be from the missing plane
Before the relatives travelled to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia’s acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said the search for survivors would continue.

“The hardest part of my job is to see the families,” he said. “I’ve always said we are hoping against hope that we will find survivors.”

On Sunday, Malaysian officials cancelled their daily update on the search for a second day.

The objects recovered by Australian naval ship HMAS Success and China’s Haixun 01 on Saturday had been examined and were thought to be fishing equipment and other flotsam, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (Amsa) said in a statement.
The BBC’s Jon Donnison explains how a “towed pinger locator” is used
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MH370 – Facts at a glance

8 March – Malaysia Airlines Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight carrying 239 people disappears
Plane’s transponder, which gives out location data, was switched off as it left Malaysian airspace
Satellite ‘pings’ indicate plane was still flying seven hours after satellite contact was lost
24 March – Based on new calculations, Malaysian PM says “beyond reasonable doubt” that plane crashed in southern Indian Ocean with no survivors
What we know
The search for flight MH370
An Australian vessel carrying a US device known as a “towed pinger locator” is due to join the search in the coming days.

The device is designed to detect any ultrasonic signals – “pings” – from flight recorders and can operate up to a depth of about 6,000m.

But the search area is huge – covering some 319,000 sq km (123,000 sq miles) – and time is running short. The flight recorders’ batteries are expected to run out in about a week’s time.

The current search area is about 1,100km (700 miles) north-east of the previous zone.

Officials said the focus changed after radar data showed the plane had been travelling faster than previously thought, thus burning more fuel and reducing the distance the aircraft could have travelled.
Various theories about what went wrong have been suggested – including the captain hijacking his own plane.

The speculation was fuelled by reports that files had been deleted on the pilot’s home flight simulator.

However on Saturday Malaysia’s transport minister said investigators had found “nothing sinister” from the simulator.

Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanished less than an hour after taking off from Kuala Lumpur.

The airliner diverted off course and lost contact with air traffic controllers between Malaysian and Vietnamese air-traffic control areas.

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The fact is that, the search for the doomed aircraft had been an international activity since day one. Vietnamese Air Force and Navy has been actively searching on areas in the South China Sea between their southern most tip to the IGARI waypoint, where the Mike Romeo Oscar aircraft  made the last transmission before disappearing from civil aviation authorities radar screen.

The two possible arches of maximum range of the B777-200, corresponding to INMARSAT's last 'ping' on 0811hrs (Malaysian time) on 8March 2014

The two possible arches of maximum range of the B777-200, corresponding to INMARSAT’s last ‘ping’ on 0811hrs (Malaysian time) on 8March 2014

There on, Singaporean armed forces joined the search. So did Chinese PLAN and US Navy. Eventually, at its peak the search involved armed forces and transport and security agencies from 26 countries were involved. High value and very delicate and sensitive assets such as the P8 Poseidon and P3 Orion maritime patrol/anti-submrine warfare aircrafts and Arleigh Burke Class destroyers were committed to the multi-national operations.

Last Monday, Prime Minister Dato’ Sri Mohd. Najib Tun Razak announced that they are convinced the doomed Mike Romeo Oscar made a left turn and flew south on the Indian Ocean.

24 March 2014| last updated at 11:31PM

MH370 Lost in Indian Ocean: PM Najib Razak’s full statement

This evening I was briefed by representatives from the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB).
They informed me that Inmarsat, the UK company thatprovided the satellite data which indicated the northern and southern corridors, has been performing further calculations on the data.

Using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort, they have been able to shed more light on MH370’s flight path.

Based on their new analysis, Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites.

It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.

We will be holding a press conference tomorrow with further details.

In the meantime, we wanted to inform you of this new development at the earliest opportunity.

We share this information out of a commitment to openness and respect for the families, two principles which have guided this investigation.

Malaysia Airlines have already spoken to the families of the passengers and crew to inform them of this development.

For them, the past few weeks have been heartbreaking; I know this news must be harder still.

I urge the media to respect their privacy, and to allow them the space they need at this difficult time.
Read more: MH370 Lost in Indian Ocean: PM Najib Razak’s full statement – Latest – New Straits Times

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-mh370-lost-in-indian-ocean-font-pm-najib-razak-s-full-statement-1.530484#ixzz2xTWGL3oI

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There on, the search went on only with the active participation of armed forces and transport agencies of Austrialia, New Zealand, United States, United Kingdom, China, South Korea, Japan and France. Despite the search getting narrower, the search had produced nothing.

At the moment, there are 12 aircrafts and 8 vessels searching the designated area which they believed were the B777-200 might have went down, based on the ‘handshake pings’ recorded by the INMARSAT statelite and trajectory based on speed and fuel available in the 220 tonnes MTOW aircraft.

BBC story

29 March 2014 Last updated at 14:36

Flight MH370: Chinese and Australian ships draw blank

 

Black-box answers
What we know
Mourning the missing
A Chinese and an Australian ship have failed to identify remains from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight after their first day in a new search area.

The two ships retrieved objects from the Indian Ocean but none was confirmed to be from missing flight MH370, Australia’s maritime authority said.

Chinese aircraft also flew over the area, north-east of the previous zone, and have spotted more objects.

The airliner disappeared on 8 March with 239 people on board.

Chinese patrol ship Haixun 01 and Australia’s HMAS Success “reported they have retrieved a number of objects from the ocean but so far no objects confirmed to be related to MH370 have been recovered”, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (Amsa) said late on Saturday.
The BBC’s Jon Donnison spent Friday with Australian air crews looking for the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370,
Eight aircraft also took part in the operation. One Chinese plane reported spotting spotted three orange, white and red objects floating in the sea.

Some of the objects seen in the area have been very small, and officials cautioned that they may be sea junk.

Amsa said that “at least one distinctive fishing object has been identified”.

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Did previous photos show plane debris?

Satellite images so far could show anything from lost shipping containers or drifting garbage to fragments of Flight MH370
Among ocean experts, opinion differs over how much non-plane debris is in the area
Southern Indian Ocean is one of world’s least researched areas
In absence of better data, retrieving floating debris can help narrow search for “black box” recorders
But shortage of live satellite data, turbulence and passage of time since flight’s disappearance hamper search for debris
Aircraft debris – or a load of rubbish?
On Friday five search planes spotted multiple objects of various colours in the same area – about 1,100km (700 miles) north-east of the previous search zone.

Bad weather has hampered the search efforts in recent days.

Meanwhile Malaysia’s acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says he has reassured the families of the missing passengers that the search for any survivors will continue.

Some relatives of the flight’s 153 Chinese passengers have refused to accept the Malaysian account of events and have accused officials of withholding information.
Acting Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein: “If there is any lead or information that involves survivors, that has been our priority”
“No matter how remote the search, I am always hoping against hope that we will find survivors,” Mr Hishammuddin told the latest news conference following a meeting with the families on Saturday.

Burning more fuel
The Australian and Malaysian governments said on Friday the search area had been changed following further analysis of radar data that showed the plane had been travelling faster, thus burning more fuel.

This would reduce the possible distance the aircraft travelled south into the Indian Ocean, officials said.

Search efforts had until Friday morning focused on an area some 2,500km (1,550 miles) to the south-west of the Australian city of Perth.
Some of the items spotted were “sea junk”, as Andy Moore reports
The Chinese patrol ship Haixun 01 has started searching the new area

Relatives of Chinese passengers have been anxiously waiting for news of their loved ones
Malaysian officials have concluded that, based on satellite data, the missing plane flew into the sea somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean. So far no trace of it has been found.

Continue reading the main story
MH370 – Facts at a glance

8 March – Malaysia Airlines Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight carrying 239 people disappears
Plane’s transponder, which gives out location data, was switched off as it left Malaysian airspace
Satellite ‘pings’ indicate plane was still flying seven hours after satellite contact was lost
24 March – Based on new calculations, Malaysian PM says “beyond reasonable doubt” that plane crashed in southern Indian Ocean with no survivors
What we know
The search for flight MH370
Various theories about what went wrong have been suggested – including the captain hijacking his own plane.

The speculation was fuelled by reports that files had been deleted on the pilot’s home flight simulator.

However Mr Hishammuddin said investigators who had looked at the equipment had turned up no new information.

“There is nothing sinister from the simulators but of course that will have to be confirmed by the chief of police,” he said.

Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanished less than an hour after taking off from Kuala Lumpur.

The airliner diverted off course and lost contact with air traffic controllers between Malaysian and Vietnamese air-traffic control areas.

The vast expanse of ocean has turned the search into a major challenge.

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Whatever information that the acting Transport Minister, DG of DCA, GCEO of Malaysia Airlines, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Chief of Defense Forces, Chief of the RMAF, Inspector General of Police offered that the time it was issued in the daily media conferences were valid, based on the availability and corroborated at that particular moment.

Example is the INMARSAT information about their complex analysis of trajectory of the Mike Romeo Oscar based on the ‘handshakes’ their computers recorded from the pings received from the geo-static satellite, was only offered by AAIB UK to the acting Minister of Transport four days later.

The path of the missing Mike Romeo Oscar designated MH370, on 8 March 2014 before completely not detected by radar

The path of the missing Mike Romeo Oscar designated MH370, on 8 March 2014 before completely not detected by radar

So are other information that is deemed ‘sensitive’ such as the recording of Mike Romeo Oscar’s movement from IGARI to IGREX, as per observed by the Royal Thai Air force Air Defense radar.

Eventually when all these information are offered to the Malaysia authorities and corroborated, then only they are offered to the Malaysian and international media in the same conference. Both Malaysian and international media have equal chance to do Q & A whenever new information is offered.

The manifest of nationals. of the 239 souls onboard MH370 on 8 March 2014

The manifest of nationals. of the 239 souls onboard MH370 on 8 March 2014

In many instances, the international media repeated questions which have previously addressed in many of earlier media conferences. An example is the identities of the two Iranians who travelled on stolen Austrian and Italian passports, and the relevance and connection to known terrorism groups.

There are 14 different nationals amongst the 239 souls onboard the missing airliner. All grieved almost the same tone and intensity with the exception of the families and loved ones from China. They have been very loud and combative, in their expression of shock and grieve.

Probably the mainland Chinese are not used to the concept of ‘transparency’ and how a democratically elected government which is practicing the usual international standards of sharing information. Or their are not wise in the usual practice of democracy of ‘freedom of expression’, especially when they blatantly accuse the Malaysian Government, military and Malaysia Airlines as “Murderers!”.

What is also wrong if the Chinese Government to echo what the families of the passengers of the missing flight is shouting about.

The Malaysian Government has been very transparent to the Chinese Government, pertaining to any available information of the B777-200 carrying 239 souls which include 153 of the communist state nationals. Even to the point Prime Minister Najib meeting the Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs.

The PRC Ministry of Foreign Affairs website:

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak Meets with Special Envoy of the Chinese Government Zhang Yesui

2014/03/26

Prime Minister Najib meeting Chinese Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs Yesui

Prime Minister Najib meeting Chinese Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs Zhang Yesui

On March 26, 2014, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak met in Kuala Lumpur with Zhang Yesui, Special Envoy of the Chinese government and Vice Foreign Minister.

Zhang Yesui said that the Chinese leaders have been highly concerned about the updates of the incident and worried about the safety of all the passengers including 154 Chinese citizens aboard the flight all the time since the Malaysia Airlines flight lost contact. They have instructed the Chinese departments concerned to work closely with the Malaysian side to well organize the search, rescue and investigation. Nineteen days have passed since the flight went missing, and the search and rescue operations remain the top priority now, which cannot be stopped and cannot be slacked. China will further step up search efforts. We hope the Malaysian side could strengthen information communications with the Chinese side, provide China with comprehensive and accurate information and evidence related to the flight’s “ending” in the South Indian Ocean, do its utmost coordinating all the countries concerned to continue their search efforts, and well console the families of the passengers.

Prime Minister Najib Razak welcomed and thanked China for the assistance and help to the Malaysian side in handling the incident of the loss of contact of the flight. He said that Malaysia would try its best to offer timely and accurate information, and intensify efforts for the search in relevant waters in South Indian Ocean, and will go all out to well organize relevant work including consoling the families.

On the same day, Zhang Yesui also met with Malaysian Minister of Defence and Acting Minister of Transport Hishammuddin Hussein, and Malaysia Airlines Chairman Mohammed Nor Mohammed Yusof and CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya.

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A high powered team led by RMAF Air Operations Commander Lt. Jen. Dato’ Seri Ackbal Abdul Samad TUDM was despatched to Beijing and conduct the neccesary briefings to the affected family members of the MH370 passengers.The information offered is no different from what have been offered to the Malaysian and international media, in the daily media briefings and conferences.

Yet, the Chinese family cannot accept. It was said that they wanted more and walked out from the briefing.

Now they have come to Kuala Lumpur, hoping to get different information from already offered. This where the Chinese Government should come in and intervene. The should pacify their own nationals based on the information already offered by the Malaysian Government and the Chief of the RMAF to Vice Minister Zhang in Kuala Lumpur five days ago, about the movement, tracked and status of the multinational search for flight MH370.

The Chinese Government should appreciate, especially  if there demands for the People’s Liberation Army to openly reveal sensitive information pertaining to the Air Defense System and inadvertently compromise the defense of the China.

However, they did not. Probably the Chinese Government secretly ‘allowed’ if not ‘advocated’ some of their citizens to make these outrageous demands and cries about “Malaysian Government, Malaysian military and Malaysia Airlines are murderers!”.

More interestingly is that PLA is not willing to share whatever information they have pertaining to the missing flight MH370 to Chinese Government and public, since all these drama and negative attention towards Malaysia snowballing in the closed Chinese media and social media networks serve as a perfect cover for their clandestine operation the South China Sea.

ASEAN EEZ Vs China's claims over South China Sea with the imaginary Nine-Dash-Line

ASEAN EEZ Vs China’s claims over South China Sea with the imaginary Nine-Dash-Line

Particularly, China’s gross disrespect of nation’s around the region with the imaginary and unsubstantiated claims of the ‘Nine Dash Line’, which is incurring deep into the EEZ of countries as per putlined by the United Nations Convention Law of the Seas (UNCLOS).

Regardless, Malaysia should wise up about its formal and informal relationship with China. If China is Malaysia’s ‘friend’, then they should do more to correct the negative if not the destructive perception by their own nationals in an information eco-system where the Chinese Government have near absolute control.

After all being ‘friends’ only should mean that China would want if not do more to advocate her nationals to be more ‘friendly’ towards Malaysia. That is not happening as how Chinese nationals been hurling their feelings towards Malaysia, we are not friends at all.

Malaysian Prime Minister Tun Hj Abdul Razak Hussein historic call on Chairman Mao Zedong

Malaysian Prime Minister Tun Hj Abdul Razak Hussein historic call on Chairman Mao Zedong

Probably Prime Minister Najib should postpone his planned visit to China in May, to commemorate his father Tun Hj Abdul Razak Hussein’s historic visit to China and meeting Chairman Mao Zedong forty years ago.

His Majesty Seri Paduka Baginda Yang DiPertuan Agong XIV’s planned visit to China in November too, should be postponed. After all, the Malaysian Government is His Majesty’s Government and His Majesty is the Commander in Chief and Field Marshall of the Malaysian Armed Forces.

If Malaysians especially the business community is worried how the slight shift of formal relationship and ‘friendship’ status would affect trade, then they should reflect on how Taiwan which is ‘at war’ with China and how trade and services between the two ‘non existence nations’ bloomed through the years.

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  1. Never trust the Chinese. Their Chinese brethrens in M’sia are the same. Just saw a link on FB that one of themmocked the Muslim govt officials by putting their hands upwards for ”doa”. How can they live in M’sia without understanding the Malay/muslim way of offering prayers? This race is a pig race, unclean, greedy, a bully etc etc.I wonder if there’s a chance of asking China to take them back? They are uncouth, not patriotic, hyper racist, condescending ….Wicked race!

    • I agree with you. These people are on record in history as calling others outside the so-called Middle Kingdom, including those relatively advanced civilizations of the Roman Empire, of Greece and the Middle East, as barbarians, when in fact they themselves originated from real barbarians.

      I like the following comment seen here and there that I’ll copy and paste, below:

      You people keep making fun of the Malays, mamaks, etc, what about you Chinese? What’s the equivalent to call you all also having mixed blood? Now, now, don’t say you people are pure Chinese.

      Here is what Professor C.P. Fitzgerald says in his book, “A Short Cultural History of China” (600+ pages) – he lived in China for 5 years to research and gather material for that book:

      The phrase “origin of the Chinese people” is in itself misleading.

      1. Chinese culture took root in the plains of Manchuria, a foreign country until after World War II

      2. The northern provinces “have always to some degree been mixed with peoples from the Mongolian steppes”. (Hence they are also referred to as the Mongoloid race).

      3. The southern and central provinces of China were, before the northerners moved southwards, “covered” by non-Chinese, the Miao, small in size and who the Chinese were contemptuous of.

      4. The south was occupied by “aboriginal tribes which once occupied the whole of south China”. The ancestors of most of the migrants to Malaya/ sia came from the south. The Professor said, “A large proportion of the population of the south calling itself ‘Chinese’ is in fact descended from one or other of the aboriginal races” – page 6. “The southern people were then treated (by the northerners) as barbarous” – pg 32. Even in modern times, in Yunnan and Kueichou, tribesmen number half the population.

      The southerners comprise the following major groups:

      a. Fukienese (Hokkien), “a separate stock, mixed with immigrants from the north and the Yangtze Valley” and speaking “a peculiar dialect”.

      b. Cantonese, also speak a somewhat alien language, a form of old Chinese – the south was colonized by the northerners, colonization completed in the 7th Century – some 800 years after China was formed as a political entity by Chin Shih Huang Di.

      c. Hakkas, of Kuantung province, known as “guest families” – they speak a peculiar dialect, despised by the Cantonese and do not inter marry. These people were said to have come from the north, running away from frequent Mongol invasions that culminated in the conquest of China by Genghis Khan in the 13th Century.

      Another Professor, Albert Kolb, also pointed out in his book, “East Asia”, 1971,

      “Chinese culture cannot be thought of as originally Chinese because the Chinese themselves emerged gradually as a blend of many races and peoples”. (Pg 26).

      Remember, the Professor said, “A large proportion of the population of the south (where your ancestors came from) calling itself ‘Chinese’ is in fact descended from one or other of the aboriginal races.” So, if any of you are referred to as descendants of the Miao (who are aborigines and non-Chinese), or other aborigines or hill tribes of south China, don’t blame me, I’m just a messenger of the news. You can’t also blame Professor Fitzgerald any more because he died some years ago.

    • Here’s another one:

      The Myth of the Chinese Cultural Pre-eminence

      Ancient Chinese records aggrandized Chinese culture while at the same time denying the achievements of other cultures and races. But Chinese historical documents had often been re-written, making it difficult to ascertain the truths.

      The burning of the books occurred not just over 2,000 years ago during Emperor Chin Shih Huang Di, but also in the 1960s during the so-called Cultural Revolution planned by the communist leader Mao Zedong to shore up his popularity after a series of setbacks starting from failed economic reforms called the Great Leap Forward that led to millions fo Chinese dead due to starvation, endless communal fighting for food and stipend.

      Chinese history claimed China as the “Middle Kingdom”, others around them, and even far away, as “barbaric and uncivilized”.

      Those thinking theirs is a higher culture and others have a lower one must read what History Professor Wang Gung-Wu (formerly of Universiti Malaya, now in Singapore) said in his essay “Early Ming Relations with S.E.Asia” pg. 36:

      “ … All peoples who believed that they alone were civilized did so because they thought their neighbours less civilized than themselves. This view was often proved wrong by subsequent contact with other civilized peoples.”

      Another Professor, Albert Kolb, also pointed out in his book, “East Asia”, 1971,

      “For a long time, it (Chinese culture) was taken to be older, and possibly also richer in original features, than in fact it is”. (Pg 25).

      “Chinese culture cannot be thought of as originally Chinese because the Chinese themselves emerged gradually as a blend of many races and peoples”. (Pg 26).

      According to Professor Wolfram Eberhard, in his book “A History of China”, 1977, writings about ancient China were inventions of a later period, what were said to have been done by the Chinese rulers and the dates they were said to have been done appeared to be even later still. All these indicated that historical writings in China were meant to serve certain politico-ethical objectives.

      These are the words Professor Eberhard himself wrote:

      “Furthermore, we can now state with certainty that the historical data which were given in written documents for times down to 1,000 BC are false. They are the result of astronomical-astrological calculations, made by specialists of later times who pursued their own special political aims by doing these calculations”. (Pg 1).

    • I also agree with Big Dog. The Chinese passengers’ relatives expressing their emotions is understandable, although the families of the other 80 or so passengers have mostly controlled theirs.

      But “venting anger” in an uncontrollable manner and endlessly is not acceptable. And the Malaysian Chinese mocking the Malay/ Muslim prayer in FB is simply not tolerable. The only way to understand that is maybe to put out another copy and paste, below:

      Practically all Chinese in Malaysia are descended from southern China. Many are law-abiding and Constitution-respecting. But a sizable number does not respect the Constitution and have been anti-Establishment all along. This is perhaps traceable to the fact that their ancestors in southern China have always been anti-Establishment, resentful of those other than their own kind.

      They themselves were descended from “aboriginal tribes which once occupied the whole of south China” – Professor C.P Fitzgerald, History of China, pg 6. And those from the north who ran away from incessant Mongol incursions at the border with Mongolia, like the Hakkas.

      The southerners resented being ruled by foreigners for stretches of up to hundreds of years. The Mongols under Genghis Khan conquered and ruled China for 80 years in the 13th Century. The Manchurians conquered China and Manchu Emperors ruled it from the 17th until the 20th Century. Hong Kong was ruled by the British and was returned to China only in 1990.

      The Manchu invasion of China was helped by the treachery of one Chinese General. During the rebellion against the Ming Dynasty Emperor, a Chinese General, Li Tzu-cheng, had captured Peking and proclaimed himself Emperor in 1644. But Li took the concubine of another rebel General, Wu San-kuei, into his harem. Because of the girl, the embittered Wu refused to recognize the new Emperor Li, opened the gates of the Great Wall at Shan Hai Kuan and let the Manchu Army in, conquered it and the Manchus started ruling China – Professor C.P Fitzgerald, History of China, pg 542-3.

      In this context, watch out the guy with a Rainbow in Penang who has been glorifying Sun Yat Sen of China (officiated the opening of a building named Sun Yat Sen) and trying to get other Chinese in this country to look to China. And note that the British first entered Perak due to the treachery of the Kapitan Cina in Larut who, together with 44 gangsters, signed a petition for the British in Penang to assist them recover tin mines lost to rival gangs that have been fighting endlessly under the Ghee Hin and the Hai San banners, and those led to the British sending troops under Capt Speedy etc, ending in the Pangkor Treaty of 1874 and the bloody British ruling Malaya as colonizers. How treacherous those Chinese were.

      Here‘s Professor Fitzgerald’s account of the Manchus’ attitude towards the Chinese (he stayed in China for 5 years to study the language and dig the records in the Chinese archives):

      “The north was loyal, and was trusted – up to a point. The south, embittered and rebellious, was … mistrusted, and oppressed … the ever hostile south. “ – pg 545.

      Disloyalty, rebellions, treachery, then foreign wars and more rebellions (Chinese secret societies, thugs and gangsters originated from south China), suffering and misery in the 19th Century, many absconded China and found their way to the shores of Semenanjung Tanah Melayu.

      Those who don’t respect and refuse to live by the Constitution of this country carry a hangover of the mental attitude of the southern Chinese. They need to be brought into mainstream Malaysiana, but those who persistently refuse to respect and live by the Constitution, including the sensitive Articles, need to be told to migrate elsewhere, like has been said even by well-known personalities in this country.

  2. I believe there is something and sinister brewing in here, as part of the Chiese to opportunistically grab someother people’s title or honour during their deep and very distraught becoz of the grieve misery.

    Very conensending lot. Very foxy

  3. Very well written and well researched, BD.

    Yes, it has happened again, and again, and again – “it is never enough.” Mau lagi, mau lagi, mau lagi, and was it Utusan that asked apa lagi Cina mau?

    Now evident that it’s not just the local tsunami Chinese kind, but those on the mainland as well. Of course, on the mainland, they have been “never enough” for thousands of years, as shown by the copy and paste articles above. It’s that very mentality, that kind of culture that had caused them having thousands of years of history but becoming a world power only 1-2 decades ago. Even so, not yet a Super Power, as the Chinese Ambassador to US admitted on CNN a few months ago. Despite having the largest population on earth all along.

    Fighting among themselves endlessly, got weakened and exploited, bullied by other powers until the 20th Century. The situation got so bad that it attracted communism. And they got to become the 2nd largest economy in the world only after they adopted free enterprise and capitalism.

    And what do we do when they continue to be unreasonable? We whack them here and there in the first instance, and call for our Government to show displeasure by postponing the PM’s and the Agong’s visit. Then we tease, provoke and challenge Anwar Al Juburi, Bersih and the likes of them to go on the streets, demonstrate against the Chinese for trying to bully small nations in the South China Sea etc.

  4. One cant help to watch this dangerous brewing into something very toxic, over these past few weeks.

    The drama by the mainland Chinese is getting more surreal, by the day.

    For a group of people who are supposed to be grieving, they hv already proven that they are very organised and their movements are project-managed.

    An instance is that three ladies who came for Acting Transport Minister’s daily press conference. She said she’s from China and one of the affected family members. She just wanted to know what happened to her son.

    Yet, she had a banner with her. Who prepared for this banner? Can one order a 30 feet banner in Pinyin from the hotel concierge?

    Again, in Beijing there hv started to issue t-shirts. And also very uniformed banners when they marched to the Malaysian Embassy, in buses.

    Dont all of these look like is being project-managed?

    First of all, with all the might of China and its intricate security services, they would hv known about this group of ‘militant family members of MH370’.

    But the Chinese govt didn’t do anything, to help them understand or pacify them.

    Even after Vice Minister Zhang Yesui meet PM Najib in KL and soon after a special briefing by RMAF Chief. That was 5 days ago.

    Now they are here in KL. Even with more banners and now in English too.

    This cannot be seen EXCEPT trying to escalate this into something sinister and very ugly.

    And the PRC government is right in the middle of it!

    This must the opening act of part two of the “Nine-Dash-Line” opera.

  5. I suspect the Chinese families are being instigated by DAPsters and China bengs out to embarrass the government internationally.
    But, they don’t seem to realise that for the Chinese nationals, Malaysian Chinese are no different from what Miss kok calls “Malay-Sia.” They have no empathy with Malaysian Chinese. It’s only a one-way street from the DAPsters here who keep praising their “tong san” etc.

    In fact, the Chinese backlash, which has thrilled the DAPSters, is only going to backfire on the China bengs. (By the way, I’m half-Chinese but cannot tahan the behaviour of the DAPsters). The Chinese have begun boycotting Malaysian goods and services. Now who mostly exports to China from here? Not Ramli burger or tongkat Ali or kacip Fatima.

    It’s the Chinese SMEs with their bird’s nests, old town white coffee, furniture, tour packages etc. Let’s see the panic when their profits start to slide because, as we all know, the Chinaman’s sole obsession is his money.

    Then we’ll see them scuttling to MCA or their favourite “Dumno” govt to save their sorry asses because no use going to the DAP as they can do “diddly squat,” as my American friend likes to say.

    • Good on you for taking a realistic stand, irma. In fact, that’s the only stand to take coz the DAP stand is simply “unloyal” to say the least, even “disloyal” in many cases.

      Those DAPigs (the opposite of Dumno, their stupidly coined word), have no clue about loyalty and patriotism. Lim Kit Siang and Lim Guan Eng have been called “Cina Bukit” not for nothing.

      Calling themselves Anak Malaysia and such nonsense when they should plainly and simply be Malaysians, respecting and abiding by the Constitution of the country.

      We should bring back the detention without trial, ISA, coz even the Americans still have ISA-like detention without trial at Guantanamo Bay until now.

  6. It is said that we have a “felinist” PM. Also a feminist Information Minister.

    Wasn’t he asking what can be done about the situation? What has he done about the so-called news portals like Malaysia Chronicle, Malaysia Kini, Malaysian Insider etc? Malaysia Kini publishes irresponsible comments from their subscribers, those caustic, inflammatory and even seditious comments. They do that to get more subscribers and make money. Daft.

    Good that Ahmad Zahid refused them a newspaper license. If given a license, it’d be license to be seditious all over.

    Ahmad Sabery said when assuming the Information Minister post that this Ministry was considering following the action taken by Singapore on the so-called news portals. Whatever happened to that “considering”? What have his Information Officers, Government Radio, TV, Bernama etc done? How much was done? What planning and concerted, co-ordinated effort was done?

    Tun Dr Mahathir said that if he was appointed PM again, he’d “censor the Internet”. How I wish he’d be appointed and would do that. After all, Turkey’s Erdogan has banned Tweeter in his county. And China has taken Internet control measures, too.

    I can’t hope for Najib to do so. Now he gets bashed the world over by the “liberal” news media. And Malaysia and we Malaysians bear the brunt of the shame. The usual ungrateful ingrates – provided hotel accomodation, food and whatever information available on a daily basis, and now flownn to KL and given the same, yet no thank you from the fellows, instead whacking and wanking our backsides with shouts, shrieks, posters and banners.

    Yet, it’s blatantly clear that we “cannot bring back the passengers” that the mainland Chinese relatives are “demanding”. Or give them facts that we don’t have. Or furnish them information that has not been verified or corroborated. Re-think our stand, man. Buat baik berpada pada. What the hell, man.

  7. Now State-run voice in China saying to their people be rational –

    Chinese paper urges rationality over missing jet
    By ASSOCIATED PRESS

    BEIJING (AP) — Commentary in China’s state-run media is urging people to react “rationally” to the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, after days of protests by passengers’ relatives who say Malaysia has mishandled the incident.

    The commentary in the China Daily says “we should not let anger prevail over facts and rationality.”

  8. the above report come from the jealousy to the succes of PRC in the field of economic and politic,if we read the history of China from past centuries the people are inventer of many things, and have experience success in many fields until the late 18 and 19 century they are cheated and the people get kill by the British empayer and the China are brokern to pieces.During the 14 to 16 century Tanah Melayu are very succesfull with the help of ming dynasty and if the MING Government are still axis today, China and the country of ASIA are power center of the world today and the believe of the shift of world dominance from the west to the east are going to happen weather we like it or not,and for us as the asia race we should support this and start leaning mandarin or cantonesse as a second languages.

    • You idiotic Chinaman pretending to be a Malay, cannot even spell the name properly, eh?

      What “succes of PRC in the field of economic and politic” when, after the thousands of years, it went up economically only in the last 10-20 years? Regarded by the West as a pariah all these years until 1-2 decades ago. 40 years ago, they didn’t even have enough paint to paint their buildings, all drab and dirty looking. Read what the Selangor State Assemblyman who visited China in the 1970s said – he could not even buy a bicycle as a present for his niece as those available were reserved only for communist party cadres.

      What political success when China still keeps the communist infrastructure going but chucked out all the communist theories of State-controlled enterprise, the commune system etc, in favour of free enterprise and the Western capitalistic system?

      “14 to 16 century Tanah Melayu are very succesfull with the help of ming dynasty and if the MING Government”? What history book you reading, man? Some notes left by communist terrorist Chin Peng?

      “the country of ASIA are power center of the world today and the believe of the shift of world dominance from the west to the east are going to happen”? Are you imagining things, have become delusional, forgot to take your psychotic pills?

      “the country of ASIA”? “the asia race”? You must be mad.

  9. What lu talking like this one, Mista?

    “Families of Chinese passengers vow no forgiveness for parties ‘hiding the truth’” – Star online.

    Like that, lu fast losing people’s sympathy lorr.

    Lu don’t even know what truth lu talking about. So how to accuse accuse one?

  10. A retired civil servant constantly reminded us the younger ones, “The only good Chinese is a dead Chinese”.

    I failed to see what he meant until this happened. Ironically, the death of these Chinese, even though a tragedy, brought upon the ugly truth who the Chinese really are and the limitless demands they could ransom you for.

    • I think he meant the DAP members (about 25,000, they told the Registrar of Societies) and supporters who behave and have a mentality like them. Ungrateful, wanting more, more and more endlessly, “demanding” this and that, even after getting so much. In this country and in China, like the passengers’ relatives. .

      There are reasonable Chinese in this country who respect and live according to the Constitution and the laws of this country.

      But the DAP and those like them have caused the race situation to be very bad these days.

      • Correction:

        DAP has only about 2,500 members, not 25,000 members.

        The Registrar of Societies said this when saying he wanted the DAP to furnish their full names, IC Nos and latest addresses.

        Former DAP Vice-President Tunku Aziz at one time said that a few hundred members did not get notices of the CEC Re-Election and many complained to RoS.

    • Lets say a US aeroplane accidentaly collide with a MAS aeroplane carrying your whole family. Will you be as calm? Would Malaysians be as calm?

      No, Malaysians will be cursing the USA. All sort of konspirasi will be tossed about and we will hear no end of it.

      The Americans are helping us find MH370. Yet, many Malaysians are accusing them of destroying the aeriplane, diverting it to Diego Garcia, and cursing them.

      • Are you saying that there can be no limit to the Chinese passengers’ relatives blaming the Malaysian Investigating Team? Demanding all sorts, saying all sorts? Endlessly? And condoned, if not supported, by the Chinese officials as well?

        If so, it’s nonsense. The relatives of he 80 plus other passengers and crew control their emotions and behave when expressing their grief and dissatisfaction..

  11. If there is one silver lining in this whole episode, is it shows us who our real friends are, not just governments but also its peoples.

    Seriously, is there still any doubt as to where our strategic alliances should be?

    (if or should I say “when” we have to choose to aligned ourselves either with the US or the Chinese)

    • Thank you.

      WE hv often advocated here in BigDogDotCom that Malaysia should seriously review and revive the FPDA military arrangements
      Also, to actively spearhead for a Commonwealth Maritime Co-operation.

      The experience from the intense multinational operation now ongoing should be formalised. And brought into the next level, by having a structure and joint command.

      The future for military co-operation lies in operations for search and rescue, emergency and disaster relief and joint anti-piracy/terrorism.

      • BD,

        Could you pls give an opinion and some facts and arguments on how strong the FPDA can be in the face of China’s belligerence?

        Also, can the Commonwealth be formidable if Britain is out of the European Union, alone and so far away from this region? No doubt the EU is not a military pact but the EU has been helpful to Britain, hasn’t it?

        And Australia not that strong militarily, though strong in sentiment, backing us up since World War II.

        And Singapore with the Zionist Jews military advisers, presumably also Jewish military hardware like UAVs and drones.

      • Thank you.

        FDPA is a military arrangements made when British Forces withdrew its operational base from Malaysia and Singapore in 1971.

        Together with Australia and New Zealand, they have almost annual joint Air Force-Navy exercises and formed a strong operation and espirit de corp bond.

        In the wake of more disaster and relief efforts participated independently by each country’s armed forces around the region, it is thought that FDPA should be brought back and the operational readiness of all these Commonwealth countries could be placed back like it was before.

        Considering China’s stubborn claim of the ‘Nine Dash Line’ and possible threatening the safe passageway for merchant shipping and EEZ of countries in the region as per UNCLOS, the FDPA could be check and balance for the ‘arms race’ and projection of power and force in the region.

        After all, within a few years Royal Navy would be formidable again with the Type 45 Destroyers, Astute Class SSNs and the brand new Queen Elizabeth super carriers.

        China would be the right opponent for Britain to flex its muscle and reclaim the once ‘Britannia Rule the Waves’ status and as a naval Superpower.

        Britain has direct economic interest when it comes to China’s heavy-handed bullying tactics of the imaginary ‘Nine Dash Line’ in South China Sea.

        That is all not withstanding Australia’s and Singapore’s special relationship with the US Armed Forces in the Pacific and the formidable re-generated FDPA would eventually see the more intense participation of the US Forces in projecting power and force, to balance and power down China.

        After all, Malaysia too is getting closer to the Pentagon, when it comes to balancing the projection of force and power within the ‘Nine Dash Line’.

      • Thanks.

        I still have doubts on FPDA effectiveness. I was attracted to the idea of being under the US defence umbrella, even with US bases in the country, like Philippines is back to having them.

        But with US bases, I fear our country will get bombed and infiltrated in the event of a US-China conflict and we become like Vietnam. Though the Chinese may not be able to use Thailand to enter Malaysia by land, like they walked through North Vietnam to get into the south.

        But I will leave my doubts as they are for now.

      • Thank you.

        We here in BigDogDotCom is confident on the future and effectiveness upon the revival of FDPA, as a military arrangement solutions for balance of power and projection of force in the region.

        The commitment of FDPA members also is very apparent, when Royal Navy committed SSN HMS Tireless to participate the search for the missing B777-200 with tail no. 9M-MRO is South Indian Ocean.

        Daily Star story:

        Royal Navy’s HMS Tireless submarine joins in search for missing MH370 plane

        A BRITISH submarine arrived in the southern Indian Ocean yesterday to help search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

        By Lamiat Sabin/Published 1st April 2014
        HELP:
        The Malaysian government earlier said that investigators are conducting a forensic examination of the final recorded conversation between ground control and the cockpit.

        The Royal Navy submarine HMS Tireless will be on the hunt for the missing Boeing 777, which was heading to Beijing in China from the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur.

        The plane has been the centre of a search since it disappeared on March 8 with 239 passengers on board.

        Experts are currently focusing on a 98,000-square mile area off the coast of Perth in Australia.

        HMS Tireless will mainly be searching for the flight recorders as it has advanced underwater search capability.

        The Royal Navy has also dispatched HMS Echo, which is due to arrive in the southern Indian Ocean to help in the hunt for the plane’s black box, as well as helping in the search for debris on the surface.

        Four RAF personnel on secondment to the Royal Australian Air Force and Royal New Zealand Air Forces are also actively involved in maritime search operations.

        The Malaysian government earlier said that investigators are conducting a forensic examination of the final recorded conversation between ground control and the cockpit.

  12. Simple logic dictates that we side with the strongest power on earth. A power that practices democracy the way we are familiar with.

    No such thing as siding with the country that 23% of our population originated from. Many of whom, like the DAP members and supporters, have questionable loyalty and know not what patriotism is. In the event of armed conflict, they are likely to be siding with the enemy, forming a Fifth Column and such.

    US is the strongest power in the world. Not Russia. Not China, despite the 1.2 billion population China has. They are known to have jumped into action “melulu”, like in their reaction to the MH370 Malaysian Investigation Team, even allowing a demonstration – which must have had clearance by Chinese security officials – against the Malaysian Embassy by the passengers’ relatives in Beijing.

    “Melulu” they did when they entered the Korean war – their so-called “Volunteers Army” simply charged en mass at the UN forces shouting patriotic phrases, running and jumping all over the places as shown in a war film footage produced as a TV documentary. Half a million Chinese soldiers died when only 50,000 Allied Forces led by the US were killed in the latter part of the war that they participated in, .

    Russia is not a democracy in the Western sense. In recent years, they invaded Georgia, and now Ukraine, annexing Crimea, completely disregarding international law. China is doing similar acts, muscle flexing and sabre rattling in the East China and South China Seas against smaller nations. Japan can re-arm themselves very quickly, can possess nuclear weapons and all, but they have been a cruel menace in World War II and there is no question of siding with them in any international armed conflict.

    What we need to do is shout out often, and every time we see indications of Najib flirting with China for Malaysian Chinese votes etc. As far as these are concerned, I don’t trust the Chinese. Neither do I trust Najib. And I don’t trust Anwar about almost anything.

  13. Those among the unreasonable talking or thinking of taking court action against the Malaysian authorities or the plane or engine manufacturers, do be informed of the following:

    U.S. judge tosses law firm’s motion seeking Malaysia plane evidence

    (Reuters) – An Illinois judge on Monday dismissed a U.S. law firm’s motion to obtain evidence of possible design and manufacturing defects from Boeing Co and Malaysian Airline System in connection with the disappearance of flight MH370 three weeks earlier.

    Cook County Judge Kathy Flanagan also threatened to impose sanctions against Ribbeck Law Chartered, citing previous instances where the Chicago-based law firm had “improperly brought” petitions, such as last year’s Asiana Airlines plane crash in San Francisco.

    Ribbeck Law last week submitted, in Illinois Circuit Court, the first-filed legal action arising from the Malaysian plane tragedy saying it sought documents from the two companies concerning employees as well as sales and lease agreements, among other things.

    The firm said it expected to represent families of more than half of the passengers onboard the missing flight.

    “OUTRAGEOUS”

    Several U.S. aviation lawyers and experts called the Ribbeck filing premature and a publicity stunt, since the details of the plane’s disappearance were still largely unknown.

    Justin Green, a lawyer with competitor aviation law firm Kreindler & Kreindler, said the filing was “nothing short of outrageous.”

    • I wouldn’t break out the champage.

      After all, Ribbeck Law could appeal against Judge Kathy Flanagan’s ruling.

      So, the story has still to run it’s course…..

      • Are you the bloke who used to glorify Singapore and run down Malaysia? I thought you have gone dead.

        Don’t break out the champagne even if any appeal goes your way, ok? It might splutter all over your face.

        And you don’t have a face as far as we Malaysians are concerned. Haba haba ..

  14. Bernama says

    “The Foreign Ministry and the Communications and Multimedia Ministry have been asked to act swiftly to rebuff adverse reports involving the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 by the foreign media.”

    Wonder what they are doing, apart from issuing news releases, briefings and press conferences. And what’s the national news agency Bernama doing other than writing reports like other news agencies do?

    Any attempts at explanations via personal contacts, persuasions over lunches and dinners, influencing and asking news editors to be fair and balanced in their reporting?

    The Foreign Ministry cannot do much via embassies in foreign countries but the Communications and Multimedia Ministry can do a lot in this country. Yet they are letting everybody say anything they like, especially the nasty so-called news portals like Malaysia Chronicle, Malaysia Kini, Malaysian Insider.

    They bring about an atmosphere of resentment all over the place, picked up and made prominent by the cable news networks whose reporters “go to town” with their reporting, interviewing and expressing personal views.

    • CNN Jim Clancy reporting at 8.15 pm this evening appears much better than before. If somebody has spoken to him or his Supervisor or Producer, given all the facts and the arguments for him to change his tone, good.

  15. Unfortunately for Malaysia, we have weak leaders who are boy scouts when it comes to current geopolitical dynamics. Our diplomats have done excellent job since independence and this has been translated into a multinational response and willingness to help Msia search for MH370. But not much can be said about the strategic thoughts of numero uno who loves travelling and doing visits but very few tangible results to show for.

    I don’t forsee Najib showing greater nationalist approach towards China in defending our claims in SCS. Hence Msia will be seen as a coward, weak and to be bullied. We sure miss the times of Tun M where though Msia may not be liked by all countries , Malaysia was held in high esteem, highly respected and looked up to by many nations. China will continue to use unilateral ways to defend its SCS claim and can be aggressive and downright belligerent , so let’s see how the weak leadership of Malaysia copes with it. He and his incompetent advisers probably still believe that play safe is better than provoking China. Playsafe1Malaysia and the weakening of Malaysia’s interests.


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