The reversal of the game

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The Edge Financial Daily page

The tide is turning. The latest big bite at the current burning-hot flavoured in the series of story about 1MDB ‘Financial Scandal’ is that the identity is the Malaysian businessman who offered former Petro Saudi executive Xavier Justo USD 2 million for information in the form of downloaded stolen e mails.

The Straits Times story:

Justo: I was offered $2.7m for stolen data

 

Straits Times, Spore 24 Juky 2015

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/justo-i-was-offered-27m-for-stolen-data

Ex-PetroSaudi employee says he was never paid what prominent Malaysian businessman promised him

Nirmal Ghosh Indochina Bureau Chief In Bangkok
Swiss national Xavier Andre Justo – who is now in jail in Thailand in connection with trying to blackmail his former employer, PetroSaudi, which is entangled in a huge scandal involving the Malaysian government – has claimed that he was promised US$2 million (S$2.7 million) in exchange for data he stole from his former employer.

He also told The Straits Times in a prison interview that he was never paid what he was promised by a prominent Malaysian businessman. Justo claimed a deal was reached in Singapore in February on the sale of the documents, which was followed by lengthy discussions on how he would be paid.

The group of people he met in Singapore to negotiate the sale of the data were named in a 22-page confession Justo made to Thai police. He showed a copy of the confession to The Straits Times.

“I tried to open an account in Singapore, to have the money paid directly from (the buyer’s) account,” Justo said. “DBS Bank refused, I don’t know why. After that I opened an account in Abu Dhabi in my own personal name which was refused by (the buyer) because it had my name on it.”

“Then I tried to use my company account in Hong Kong and he said the same, after that it was through a Luxembourg company and then again (the buyer) refused and after that Clare Brown took the lead,” he said.

He was referring to Ms Clare Rewcastle-Brown, the Malaysian-born British-based editor of the Sarawak Report, which over the past year has made astonishing claims about the misappropriation of billions at state investment firm 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB), whose advisory board is headed by Prime Minister Najib Razak.

Justo claimed the buyer also “offered to pay me by cash”.

He said: “So I was supposed to go to Singapore every week or every other week to receive an envelope with a few thousand or tens of thousands, and repeat this process for months until the final amount will have been paid. And again I refused.”

Justo echoed what Thai police said last week, that his confession was backed up by documents including a record of his WhatsApp conversations with the buyers.

“All of what is written in my confession, most of it is proven by e-mail conversations, WhatsApp messages I have had with (them).”

Ms Rewcastle-Brown had agreed to receive the US$2 million from the buyer and send him US$250,000 a month for consultancy services, he claimed.

“I don’t know if she received the money or not, (because) I was arrested,” he said. “I have no idea.”

Contacted by The Straits Times, Ms Rewcastle-Brown rubbished the allegations as “bunkum”.

“What I have presented on 1MDB and has been clarified by The Edge and corroborated by several other official sources is a coherent explanation of events, versus the dodging, changing stories of 1MDB,” she said. The Edge is a Malaysian daily whose chief executive officer, Mr Ho Kay Tat, was questioned by Malaysian police yesterday over articles it published related to 1MDB.

On Monday, in a note published on the front page of his daily, Mr Ho said the newspaper had “a public duty to find and report the truth”.

“We were not involved in any theft, we did not pay anyone, and we did not tamper (with) any of the e-mails and documents we were given,” he added.

He also said the newspaper was handing over to Malaysian government investigators printed documents and the hard disk that contains bank transfers and statements linked to the 1MDB scandal.

Justo, who gave the interview across a table in a small office inside the sprawling Bangkok Remand Prison, also claimed that the group he had met in Singapore – including Ms Rewcastle-Brown – had tampered with the data he had given them.

“I gave the original documents without any kind of alteration,” he claimed. “I can say that I gave those documents to two groups of people,” he added. One was Ms Rewcastle-Brown and “her IT guy” and the other was the Malaysian businessman and his colleague. The Straits Times is not naming the businessman as well as his colleague pending their response to the latest allegations.

He alleged that those he met had talked about using the documents “to try to  bring down the Malaysian government”, adding that they also referred to plans to “modify the documents”.

Refuting vehemently these allegations, Ms Rewcastle-Brown said Justo was “full of untruths.”

She said: “Why would I wish to alter anything?  If I had, why haven’t 1MDB and PetroSaudi brought out the evidence of such altering in all of the last five or so months?”

Thai police arrested the tattooed Justo, who has a wife and a nine-month-old son, currently in Switzerland, on June 22 at his spacious residence on the resort island of Koh Samui.

Justo, a former head of IT at the London office of Petro Saudi, has admitted that he had stolen company data – some 90 gigabytes worth – when he left in 2011.

He said he asked Petro Saudi for more money in 2013 but it turned him down. Subsequently, through a contact in Geneva with connections in Malaysia, he was introduced to Ms Clare Rewcastle-Brown, whom he later met in Bangkok at the Plaza Athenee hotel and in Singapore at the Fullerton Hotel. In Singapore, she was accompanied by the others named in his confession.

Justo, 48, was clean-shaven, looking well and composed. He was clad in a light blue cotton prison issue shirt and darker blue shorts. Looking over his reading glasses, he showed The Straits Times his confession, written densely in capital letters over 22 pages.  He said it had not been made under duress, and that he had been pleasantly surprised at how well he had been treated in the Bangkok prison.

Justo faces up to seven years in jail and a fine if found guilty of extortion. He was hoping for a lighter prison term in view of his confession, his lawyer Pranot Kalanuson told The Straits Times.

Thai police spokesman, Lieutenant-General Prawut Thavornsiri, said on Wednesday that Justo must be tried first in a Thai court on charges of blackmail and serve a jail term – if any – before he could be extradited, according to The Star newspaper in Malaysia. It quoted the spokesman as saying that police were seeking evidence against the Swiss national that would be submitted to the public prosecutors, possibly within this month.

Malaysia’s police chief Khalid Abu Bakar arrived in Bangkok yesterday to try to interview Justo.

• With reporting by Malaysia Correspondent Shannon Teoh

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In this ST story, Justo claimed that he met at Fullerton Hotel in Singapore “Sarawak Report editor in chief Clare Rewcastle-Brown accompanied others name in the confession”.

Justo also claimed that the Malaysian buyer agreed to make these payment arrangements of “Ms Rewcastle-Brown had agreed to receive the US$2 million from the buyer and send him US$250,000 a month for consultancy services”.

The Swiss national also claimed in his confession that he prepared two set of documents which were given to Rewcastle-Brown and the “IT guy”.

It is believed that the Malaysian business man is staunch Anwarista Tong Kooi Ong, who owns The Edge Media Group. The Edge, The Edge Financial Daily and BFM 89.9 have been very consistent in their attacks on the 1MDB ‘Financial Scandal’.

Is the “IT guy who accompanied the Malaysian businessman” is the “Forensics expert” who The Edge Managing Editor Ho Kay Tat mentioned?

Rewcastle-Brown, just like Malaysian Opposition Leaders, when they start to lose their battles and the tide is turning against them would just rubbish any evidence to prove that they were lying to begin with.

The 1MDB ‘Financial Scandal’ episode of attacking the Malaysian Government strategic investment corporation for acts of embezzlement and white collar crimes are slowly to be presented to be manipulated, distorted and fabricated information or even worse, pure lies.

Now, the conspiracists of  Rewscatle-Brown, Malaysian Opposition Leaders and Malaysian staunch Anwarista businessman are running helter skelter as the reversal of the game has started.

It is expected they would make more lies trying to cover the previous lies they commonly agreed and shared, in the strategy to topple Prime Minister Dato’ Sri Mohd. Najib Tun Razak by demonising him through the build up stories of ‘1MDB Financial Scandals’.

*Updated 1215hrs

The Edge Media Group owner and staunch Anwarista Tong Kooi Ong admitted that they have misled Justo to get information about the USD1.83 billion scam against Petro Saudi International.

Yes, we misled Justo on payment to get proof of US$1.83 billion scam

BY TONG KOOI ONG AND HO KAY TAT

Published: 24 July 2015 11:21 AM
We refer to the story in The Straits Times today in which Xavier Andre Justo accused us of not paying him what we said we would for the information he gave us on the scandalous 1MDB-PetroSaudi International joint venture.
First off, we must say The Straits Times journalist must be very well connected to be given access to Justo in his Bangkok jail.

Even our Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar, who is now in Bangkok, has so far been refused access to Justo.

We wonder which powerful hidden hand arranged for Nirmal Ghosh of the Singapore daily to meet Justo so that he can launch an attack on us?
Justo is obviously an angry man, and understandably so, as we did not pay him what he wanted.

Yes, we misled him. But that was the only way to get hold of the evidence to expose how a small group of Malaysians and foreigners cheated the people of Malaysia of US$1.83 billion (RM6.97 billion).

His statement confirmed what we have said earlier i.e. we never paid anyone.

As for Justo’s allegations that we told him we intended to tamper with the documents and that our objective was to bring down the government, surely if we had such intentions we would not tell it to someone we were meeting for the first time. All the more so when we know he will be upset with us because we will eventually not pay him what he wants.

There was no tampering because we immediately did a digital fingerprint of the hard disc that contained over 400,000 emails and documents and secured it. What is in the discs we gave Bank Negara Malaysia, the police and the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission this week is the exact copy of the one Justo passed to us, and he has said he did not tamper with it.

Furthermore, the money trail we have put together and passed to investigators showing how money from 1MDB were moved into the accounts of various people at several global banks in several countries can be easily verified by investigators with help from their counterparts in this country.

Justo is understandably a bitter man. But this is not about Justo, neither is it about us.

It is about a scheme to cheat the people of Malaysia of US$1.83 billion through the 1MDB-PetroSaudi joint venture.

That so many government agencies are now investigating 1MDB and that it is now almost an insolvent company that needs to be bailed out validates all the work The Edge Media Group has done to expose what had happened.

We have done nothing wrong and we are here to assist investigators unlike some who seem to have disappeared. – July 24, 2015.

* Tong Kooi Ong is chairman of The Edge Media Group and Ho Kay Tat is the publisher. The Malaysian Insider is part of The Edge Media Group.

– See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/yes-we-misled-justo-on-payment-to-get-proof-of-us1.83-billion-scam#sthash.7KVY0FwF.dpuf

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The Straits Times story is accurate. Xavier Justo was telling the truth about being offered the USD 2 million for the e mails.

What Tong did here is to admit that their media group is sustainable to corrupt practices to obtain story, which include deception. It must be morally and ethically breaching the conduct of becoming of journalism and a business paper.

More so, a respectable one within ‘the market’.

Tong in his article, was trying to create a doubt how did Miss Ghosh in Bangkok got this story. What he did not realise, he affirmed the accuracy of the ST story for Justo’s revelation that he was offered USD2 million for information.

Whether or not Justo was paid was no longer a material factor.

The “Thirteen Million Ringgit Plus” Question now is that, if the source and process of getting the story is tainted, what is the credibility of the story published then?

Probably it is true what The Edge Managing Editor Ho Kay Tat said that TEMG did not pay to get stories. However, the act to deceive someone of being lured into giving out information for an expected exchange of consideration in monetary form is as good as buying stories.

Stories with doubtful or even tainted with manipulated, fabricated information and lies are designed to demonise the leadership of Prime Minister Najib of being obtuse, poor corporate governance or even embezzlement and corrupt practices.

This is about building up the anguish of the rakyat and eventually getting them whether through political means of UMNO or series of mass demonstration which could lead to a ‘Malaysian Spring’ revolution. It would be modelled after the ‘Arab Spring’ which saw Tunisian, Egyptian and Libyan government toppled.

Inadvertently, Tong admitted that TEMG is serving a political agenda, which is to be an accessory to topple a democratically elected leadership of Prime Minister Najib.

This story published via the pro-Anwarista news-portal is the evidence of the reversal of the game coming nicely into place.

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  1. Actually, it is very simple.

    All they have to do is to confirm or deny that they were in Singapore on the dates mentioned by Justo.

    They must realise that their entry into and departure from Singapore are logged in the Singapore ICA (Immigration & Checkpoints Authority) computer system.

    The Singaporean authorities are very strict on border security and controls.

    It is easy for the Royal Malaysia Police to contact the Singapore Police and request the latter to get the info from ICA.

    So, you cannot hide the fact that you were in Singapore on the dates mentioned.

    Why not have the guts to admit that upfront instead of “obfuscating”?

    • You are a Singaporean. Often glamourising Singapore at the expense of Malaysia. When that happens, your presence is objectionable.

      No doubt you like commenting into Malaysian blogs because they are free, not controlled as in Singapore – we know the so-called news portals in Singapore are licensed.

      And what makes you think that the RMP are not liaising with their Singapore counterparts? And who says that Malaysian authorities are not very strict on border security and controls?

      Btw, why the hang up with the word “obfuscating” that you use endlessly? Any link with fornicating?

      • Maybe he gets traced and always tracked by the authorities and issued Warning, Show-Cause and whatever-else letters for writing “politically-incorrect” comments in Singapore blogs.

      • The “blunderbuss” again?

        “obfuscating” and “fornicating”? Are we entering into the realms of the sexual here? Come to think of it, a dose of sexual escapades would spice up the 1MDB saga wonderfully, instead of the endless “he said, she said”.

        Go and read my post again. Slowly, mouthing every word. And again and again.

        As for “strict border controls”, how can someone with an expired Malaysian passport exit JB and be picked up at the Woodlands checkpoint? Or why smugglers of contraband cigarettes are regularly caught at the same Woodlands checkpoint? Or why couriers can daily transport thousands of ringgit in cash to moneychangers in Singapore?

        Do you want to revisit “obfuscating” again?

  2. These Tong-Tat duo should be arrested and investigated for charges of cheating the public , sedition and even “Waging a war against His Majesty YDP Agong”.

    They must not be allowed to leave the country.

    Its now been proven to collude and conspire with the Opposition MPs.

    Everything is being unraveled systematically.

    • It is about a scheme to cheat the people of Malaysia of US$1.83 billion through the 1MDB-PetroSaudi joint venture.

      Billions deposited into najib’s anbank private accounts and thats not from Justo emails.

      • Colonel John ‘Hannibal’ Smith in The A-Team TV series: “I love it when a plan comes together”.

        Lieutenant Templeton ‘Faceman’ Peck: ” This is nuts, boss”.

        Exactly….

      • No one has indicated the emails and documents in Justo’s possessions were fake, fabricated or tampered with. All we hear is that Justo was offered money to hand over those documents. The crux of the issue is not Justo, the Edge or Tony Pua. Rather the info contained in the documents such as emails that Justo have. The contents of those emails should be the subject of scrutiny by the Task Force and PAC. This is my country too and I don’t like wool to be pulled over my eyes.

      • That is the thing. We don’t know all these “Deposits in Najib’s personal Ambank account” stories are true or not.

        That include WSJ, which took the lead on the story. Unless the Special Task Force is done with their work, then we would just hv to wait.

        But what we know is WSJ gives a criminal convict like Anwar Ibrahim, who is being incarcerated for a hedious sexual crime, the voice in the Dow Jones paper.

        Look at WSJ today.

        http://www.wsj.com/articles/malaysias-growing-opposition-cant-be-silenced-1437692741

        What does that tell you?

  3. The print edition of the Singapore Straits Times (July 24, 2015) had 2 reports on 1MDB.

    The front page report by Amy Chew, the paper’s Regional Correspondent, is titled “Malaysia widens net in 1MDB probe”.

    Included in this report was the following: “Malaysia’s foreign-exchange reserves fell to the lowest in almost five years, Bloomberg reported yesterday, signalling the central bank may have intervened to stem the ringgit’s decline. The ringgit is trading around 16-year lows against both the US dollar and the Singapore dollar”.

    On page A12 was the report filed by Nirmal Ghosh, the paper’s Indochina Bureau Chief, from Bangkok. The report is titled “Justo: I was offered $2.7m for stolen data” with the sub-heading “Ex-PetroSaudi employee says he was never paid what prominent Malaysian businessman promised him”.

    In this latter report, it is said “he (Justo) showed The Straits Times his confession, written densely in capital letters over 22 pages. He said it had not been made under duress, and that he had been pleasantly surprised at how well he had been treated in the Bangkok prison”.

    • And what is your purpose in projecting that the ST has 2 reports on 1MDB? To gloat over them?

      Do you think that Malaysians cannot access the ST on line, even the print edition? You just want the opportunity to put down the Malaysian ringgit and shout out loud that “The ringgit is trading around 16-year lows against both the US dollar and the Singapore dollar”. Seen you doing it before.

      This is my advice to you, boy: You can give your opinions in the normal way people do in this blog and elsewhere – WITHOUT UNNECESSARILY MENTIONING SINGAPORE and anything that one-ups Singapore over Malaysia.

      The moment you do that, you are in for a blunderbuss treatment. I love my country, warts and all. I will not tolerate any uncalled for, unnecessary and unjustified demeaning attempts.

      • Boy and blunderbuss? You are not channelling the slave trade and the excesses of the Deep South, are you?

        I call them as I see them.

        If that sticks in your craw, tough patootie!

        And isn’t the ringgit’s performance against foreign currencies a matter of documented record? In spite of Bank Negara saying that the currency is “undervalued”? Also on the record.

        Incidentally, the blunderbuss had an unholy tendency to blow up in the face of it’s wielder. A singularly unpleasant experience…. lol.

      • The standard effect of the blunderbuss is all kinds of pellets and rusty nails get into your backside, like may already got to yours, that you are shrieking out what you see into a Malaysian blog instead of a Singapore blog.

        Poor Singapore boy wants to mess up in Malaysian blogs because he gets hauled up if doing so in Singapore blogs.

      • Really, Wan?

        Am I supposed to tug my forelock and say “yes, Baas”?

        Anyway, the days of the blunderbuss are long gone. One might talk about Armalites, Schmeissers, Uzis and M-16s as being the preferred weapons of drug lords and gangbangers.

        So please go and think of some other similes or allegorical masterpieces.

        And while you are about it, why don’t you read the riot act to the Singapore media (Channel NewsAsia, Business Times and Straits Times) to cease and desist from commenting on Malaysia?

        That should be an interesting exercise in semantics, if nothing else.

  4. Patriot being treated criminal ,are we listening to LKS advice ?.

  5. The moment Jho Low, Faisal and Suboh are arrested for intense questioning – Justo, Tong, Ho, Pua and Clare will be non-entities almost immediately.

    Truth has a way of prevailing.

  6. This is a diversion to the real story. The real story is 1MDB and the billions, and some in PM’s personal account.

  7. A Scandal In Malaysia Spurs Credibility Crisis – Forbes – http://www.forbes.com/sites/riskmap/2015/07/21/a-scandal-in-malaysia-spurs-credibility-crisis/

  8. a stolen bicycle does not stop being a bicycle because it was stolen. The guy who stole the bicycle is guilty of theft but the bicycle isnt suddenly a vespa because it was stolen.

  9. What utter crudity, what debased morality and what a flagrant lack of responsibility in Tong Kooi Ong misleading Justo into parting the PetroSaudi documents to him/ his representative. Is this what leading Malaysian business people and media owners are made of?

    This certainly smacks of the thief cheating the thief. They got the documents from Justo without paying for them. He seems to gloat over it. But the question is: can what he says be believed? Justo said Clare Brown had agreed to receive the US$2 million from the buyer and send him US$250,000 a month for consultancy services. “I don’t know if she received the money or not, (because) I was arrested,” he said.

    If Clare received the money, Tong is a cheat many times over – cheating the Malaysian public as well. So far, Clare’s response was just to rubbish Justo. And based on the former Bank Negara Asst Governor Murad Khalid’s Statutory Declaration, Tong has been hell of a cheat to the Malaysian public – he secretly arranged RM3 billion in several “Master accounts” in his and other banks for the Opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim in the late 1990s.

    And now DAP Tony Pua is said to be a political cheat. Making public the Auditor General’s interim report on 1MDB. Looks like this country is full of cheats. But are there sufficient non-cheats in the Government and the Administration to address the public many of whom out there are having anxiety in not having answers to so many questions on 1MDB?

    • The government is said to be cheating ,the media are caught cheating, the rakyat being cheated ,is there any hope left ?.

      Hence ,who to believe ?.

  10. Lets look closely at the profile of this interesting West End political thriller.

    Rewcastle-Brown: A habitual liar

    Justo: A disgraced cheat turned extortionist

    Tong: A liar who is staunch supporter of a compulsive sexual deviant and liar

    Ho: A liar

    Pua: A habitual liar

    Rafizi: A compulsive liar

    Khairuddin: A dramatic liar

    Dr Mahathir: Caught in a web of lies

    Now, you believe me?

    Or you think I’m lying too?

  11. “if the source and process of getting the story is tainted, what is the credibility of the story published then?”

    I think until all what are said in the SR and WSJ are proven to be lies and slander, I will not discard them completely. 1MDB and/or the authorities can do that by asking PetroSaudi to verify. Any attempt to do so, so far?

    I dislike the Opposition but I must say that not all what crooks and cheats say are lies. What is important is to sieve out the truths from the lies.

    • Agree completely. This is a really nice comment.

    • Hear hear.

      The message when properly verified is more important than the messenger.

  12. Bro.
    Just to update the latest .
    The investigation paper is ready.the evidence are vary clear . CBT
    I don’t think the MACC . Police and central bank are prepare to protect Najib . The credibility of law enforcement will be at stake.

    Within a week Najib will have to get a good lawyer to defence him.
    Game over .

  13. In the absence of any answers on such things as the personal bank accounts at AmBank, the rakyat should not be blamed for dwelling on the need to get satisfactory answers. In their minds or out in blogs etc.

    Trying to shut them up is not fair. Calling the average concerned citizen conspirators is not fair. How long it will take for the Special Task Force to complete its report in unclear. The Auditor General’s Final Report has been estimated to be ready by the end of the year. It has to wait for tabling to Parliament by the PAC for the public to know.

    It’s not clear when the PAC will complete its work on 1MDB – if Jho Lo, resident in Hong Kong, decides not to appear as summoned by the PAC, it may be a long, drawn-out affair. There could be others PAC may feel compelled to call. The investigation on what appears to be conspiratorial Tong Kooi Ong may take time, the court case the Edge has decided to pursue may be dragged on and on, despite the certificate(s) or urgency their lawyers may be filing.

    Most importantly, PRU14 is getting nearer by the month and Najib’s image getting worse by the week. And pro-UMNO/BN concerned citizens must not be blamed for wanting answers by the day.

    • Kalau kena tunggu PDRM interbiu Justo, mungkin kena tunggu salepas Justo di bicara dan keluar dari penjara. Laporan NST di atas KPN pulang dari Bangkok kata

      They (Thai counterpart) need some time to complete investigations.” He(IGP) told reporters.

      It was learnt that the penalty for blackmail in Thailand, which is the charge Justo faces, would entail five years behind bars or a fine of not more than RM90 million baht (RM9.8million) or both.

    • asiaone.com says the IGP is confident PDRM would be able to question Justo after he has been charged in court in Thailand. He said this following the meeting with his Thai counterpart.

      Khalid said Thai Police Commissioner Gen Somyot explained that talking to Justo before he was charged could affect his prosecution.

      “He asked us to give him some time to consult his legal advisers on whether the police here and police there can work together on this,” said Khalid. He added that he would consult the Attorney-General on how to proceed.

      But I wonder if interrogating Justo would clarify matters once and for all on the contents of the emails. I agree that the key is getting PetroSaudi to verify that what Justo SE, WSJ and the Edge published were as appear in their records or pointing out which are the truths, which have been edited etc.

  14. The Edge Tong Kooi Ong and Ho Kay Tat issued a joint statement admitting that they had met Justo and misled the him into believing he would be paid US$2 million for the stolen data.

    “Yes, we misled him. But that was the only way to get hold of the evidence to expose how a small group of Malaysians and foreigners cheated the people of Malaysia of US$1.83bn,” they said.

    They looked educated, polished in English (unless their statements are drafted by lawyers) but do not appear to have principles. Surely the end does not justify the means.

    Of course they don’t mention that they are proxies for Anwarul Al Juburi. Al Juburi was even willing to forsake Ketuanan Melayu (as envisaged in the functions, roles and responsibilities of the YDP Agong, the Malay Rulers, the Rulers Council, etc as enshrined in the Constitution) when he spoke about the so-called ketuanan rakyat.

    • principle is one thing but what if the evidences are true? Should the fact that a crook was conned into handing it be an issue? It is however a separate issue and should be dealt separately. I believe the issue at hand is 1mdb and not the moral compass of any individual. And i also believe what these individuals had for breakfast is in no way important if what they bring to the table are true. Even if they are/were proxies of anwar, it doesnt change an iota if the evidence they conned to get are true.

      • What was said was in line with the Anwarista-ness of Tong Kong as conveyed in the blog post and Anwarism must be sunk to the lowest ebb possible on he slightest excuse to do so, any time, anywhere.

        But I agree that more important is whether what were said in the Edge, SR and WSJ were true. I have also been anxious to know.


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